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Smart Case, July 24, 2002
07/24/02 | Jolly Green

Posted on 07/23/2002 9:34:42 PM PDT by Jolly Green

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1 posted on 07/23/2002 9:34:42 PM PDT by Jolly Green
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To: Bella; brigette; IamHD; Paladin; Sherlock; HoHoeHeaux; Illbay; Neenah; sandude; Utah Girl; ...
Ping
2 posted on 07/23/2002 9:35:47 PM PDT by Jolly Green
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To: Jolly Green
I heard part of an interview on KSL radio today where Ed Smart said (for the first time, I think), that he is confident that Ricci is involved somehow in ES kidnapping.

Also said that whoever was working with him, hopefully that person is still taking care of her....
3 posted on 07/23/2002 10:11:52 PM PDT by LakerCJL
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To: 4ourprogeny
I think the "runaway" option is HIGHLY unlikely, but it was an possibility discussed yesterday so I included it. I don't see ES as a rebellious child.
6 posted on 07/23/2002 10:24:58 PM PDT by Jolly Green
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To: TheDon
Welcome back, I think. Like me, you may have lost your mind, but not your sense of humor. I saw your post earlier and joked about it on Brigette's site.
7 posted on 07/23/2002 10:26:58 PM PDT by Jolly Green
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To: LakerCJL
I heard part of an interview on KSL radio today where Ed Smart said (for the first time, I think), that he is confident that Ricci is involved somehow in ES kidnapping.

Also said that whoever was working with him, hopefully that person is still taking care of her....
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Ed must be getting updated with withheld info (unknown to the public) and complete updates of evidence against Ricci and accomplice(s) from the police.

8 posted on 07/23/2002 10:50:04 PM PDT by MadisonA
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To: MadisonA
Ed must be getting updated with withheld info (unknown to the public) and complete updates of evidence against Ricci and accomplice(s) from the police.

I have held all along the police know who the kidnapper is, Ricci is the accomplice and the kidnapper is the 5' 8", athletic, short dark hair, tan denim jacket, white baseball hat, drives a white or silver Honda or Nissan. He was 1) seen in daylight by the milkman on Jun 3, 2) seen on security video in a convenience story near the Smart neighborhood minutes before the kidnapping in his white baseball cap, 3) seen in profile from 20 ft by the security guard at Shriner's Hospital, 4) seen by MK, 5) seen by the searcher appr. Jun 7, and 6) seen by Moul on Jun 8. I think he is one of the usual suspects associated with Ricci's crimes and I'd still like to see a photo of Remington who was supposedly in jail at the time of the kidnapping.

9 posted on 07/23/2002 11:02:07 PM PDT by Sherlock
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To: Jolly Green
Thanks for the PING

I am busy tonight adding in all the ABC "Smart Case" News Reports in the Archives (around 30 more). It is amazing how many media sources where covering this story with their own reports. Sometimes I think I will never get to the end of them. It is sad how little now the story is being covered. But that is the way it goes.

It sounds to me after what Ed Smart has said about the composite and the police being on the right track, sounds more and more that Ricci is their man... they just need the evidence to link him and to find out who else was involved. There is no doubt that he did not do this on his own.

Again here is the link to the Elizabeth Smart Case Forum for those who are interested in checking it out.
10 posted on 07/23/2002 11:13:58 PM PDT by stlnative
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11 posted on 07/23/2002 11:21:48 PM PDT by stlnative
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To: Sherlock
Here's my take on this crime: Elizabeth Smart was kidnapped by a group of men for the purpose of ransom. This was motivated by 1) money (the bank robberies didn't yield enough), and 2) revenge on the Smart family by Richard Ricci.

But something went terribly wrong. The kidnapped girl wasn't at all placid - remember the scream in the night - and accidentally died, perhaps in an attempt to escape by leaping from a moving vehicle.

Now the kidnappers can't say anything. They all know it will be curtains for them in Utah if they spill the story.

12 posted on 07/23/2002 11:22:27 PM PDT by goody2shooz
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To: brigette
Several of us proposed that Liz was taken for ransom after her grandfather died and probably left money to the Smarts. Now it looks like today's Philly case was exactly that.

7 year old also missing in Arlington, Texas.
13 posted on 07/23/2002 11:25:38 PM PDT by John Jamieson
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To: Sherlock
http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,405012027,00.html

Sunday, June 16, 2002

Sister reported the abduction relatively quickly
Wait was quite short for child, an expert says

By Jake Parkinson
Deseret News staff writer

Elizabeth Smart's little sister was the only eyewitness to her sister's abduction.

Mary Katherine, 9, watched as an armed man entered her bedroom and led Elizabeth away at gunpoint.

Then she waited.

According to police, the kidnapper threatened to hurt Elizabeth if Mary Katherine told anyone about the abduction.

So she sat in her room for as long as two hours before telling her parents who, when told, called 911 at 4:01 a.m.

Certified forensic psychologist Gerald P. Koocher said it is remarkable the child notified the parents as soon as she did.

Koocher, dean of Health Studies at Boston's Simmon's College and a faculty member at Harvard Medical School, pointed out that in other scenarios such as sexual abuse, a child will refrain from telling on or speaking about the incident for years if there is a threat to hurt other members of the victim's family.

From her brief encounter and with the help of police examiners, the soon-to-be fourth-grader gave a description of the kidnapper: a white male, possibly in his 30s, about 5 feet 8 inches, with dark hair and a medium build.

The morning of the incident, Salt Lake Police Sgt. Dwayne Baird said Mary Katherine "saw a little bit of what was going on, but she couldn't see him real clearly."

A few days later, authorities brought a child forensic specialist to Salt Lake City to re-interview Mary Katherine, but the description didn't change, and any new information found in the interview, if there was any, was not reported to the media. To date, authorities say Mary Katherine has been interviewed four times, all along insisting her testimony remains consistent.

"Police will have a hard time gauging the amount of time that passed before the girl told her parents," Koocher said. "Children gauge time differently."

But Koocher said a child's testimony of the event should be considered as credible as an adult's.

"Any person, a child or adult, in a situation like this is subject to a lot of stress, but the facts of what took place will be accurate," Koocher said.

But the details might be a little distorted, he said.

"A child laying down is going to have a hard time telling just how tall a man is who is standing over her."

In questioning children, an investigator must be careful not to ask pointed questions such as, "Was the man about the same height as your father?" Koocher said. But at the same time, investigators must be quick in gathering testimony.

Over time, a person can fabricate thoughts and experiences, Koocher said.

"Most people don't actually have memories of being 3 years old; instead they remember what their parents told them and fabricate the scenario in their own minds."

But Koocher said in the disappearance of Elizabeth, her sister could not have been coached by an adult to produce the testimony.

"Kids are not good secret keepers unless they feel threatened, and in this case it doesn't appear there would have been a lot of time for coaching. If there were, after four separate interviews there would be some level of inconsistency," he said.

14 posted on 07/23/2002 11:55:23 PM PDT by Bella
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To: Jolly Green
Ricci's wife holds the key here. She HAD to know that the things he brought home were not theirs. They didn't have price tags. She is used to getting stolen goods it seems and didn't "notice?" What else in their home is stolen? I think if they pressure her by arresting her for posession of stolen property she might break. She should be in jail in another location from her husband until she talks.
15 posted on 07/24/2002 3:27:20 AM PDT by upstatenyrepublican
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To: upstatenyrepublican
I have another idea too. I bet Ricci's parents have stolen merchandise in their home or stored by Ricci in their home or shed. If they could be brought in and jailed for a while while being questioned maybe someone in the family would "break."
16 posted on 07/24/2002 3:30:22 AM PDT by upstatenyrepublican
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To: LakerCJL; All
I don't have KSL nor do most people
who follow the case. Can anyone with
local info or informed speculation,
tell us why Ed's view of things isn't
being put out on Big Media everywhere
in America(& the world)? Some days ago
this would've made huge headlines! Now
it's more like a whisper. And if LE is
for limiting the spread of this, then
why did Ed say it at all???
18 posted on 07/24/2002 7:23:51 AM PDT by txrangerette
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To: brigette
thanks for the ping
19 posted on 07/24/2002 8:22:21 AM PDT by dalebert
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To: John Jamieson
I don't believe ES's abduction was based on a potential ransom. If that was the case, the abductor(s) could have taken one of the boys, the wife, ES himself, or the younger sister.

In the absence of any real ransom request directly following the abduction, one would logically assume that ES was abducted for a particular reason.

In my opinion that reason was sexual in nature. It was based on her nubile sexuality, her incredibly beautiful appearance, and youthful sensuality.

Whoever the abductor(s) is (are) he was only the fence or middleman in the operation. I suspect the "buyer" sought such a girl for child pornography and/or rape. Having grossly miscalculated the national attention her disappearance would bring and the intensive manhunt conducted to find the perpetrators, they most likely used her for their own personal vices and then killed her. It is highly unlikely that her body will ever be recovered.

Ten years from now reporters will be seeking Ed Smart out to review the abduction of his daughter on the anniversary of her disappearance. Most likely, he will have nothing new report.

20 posted on 07/24/2002 8:42:36 AM PDT by Doc Savage
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