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To: HairOfTheDog; Carry_Okie; sauropod
See if the following will help. I do understand your time concerns, so I have been trying to find just the right article, but that is also hard to do.....the following was taken from the National Center of Public Policy Research site. These folks also publish "The Regulatory and Environmental Victims Directory......there are many cases against TNC there that might help without having to spend hours researching.

Now with that said, there are times that lands should be open to the public, however, I do not think that any lands that have historically belonged to families for generations should be unless of course these families truely chose to sell their lands to such agencies! I do mean true willing sellers, not ones that are forced into becoming "willing sellers". Did you know that if condemnation occurs, that once all the paper work is done and recorded, that the landowner, no matter how hard they fought against such, is listed as a "willing-seller"? TNC can buy all the land they wish, that is not my problem with them, if they do so without undue influence and they can do with their property anything they wish....however, this organization alone is very influential to government agencies having the funds to use and abuse eminent domain! They are many times like the vultures on the fence post!

If you will also look at our website, http://www.newriverfriends.org you will see where we landowners may be forced from our lands and heritages because we supposedly pollute a "view-shed".....these lands have been held for over 200 years! The original land patent promising the land to the heirs and assigns in perpituity(sp)--forever---was signed by then the governor of the Common Wealth of Virginia----James Munroe! I think the "view-shed" is the same as it was 200 years ago.....that of settlers using and enjoying their lands!

http://www.nationalcenter.org/dos7128.htm

Dossier

A publication providing succinct biographical sketches of environmental scientists, economists, "experts," and activists released by The National Center for Public Policy Research.

Environmental Activist: The Nature Conservancy Founded in 1951, The Nature Conservancy (TNC) is indisputably the wealthiest organization in the environmental movement with an budget approaching $300 million per year. The group's mission is to save environmentally valuable land through private acquisition. This private sector approach has earned The Conservancy praise from liberals and free market advocates alike. But The Nature Conservancy's approach to the environment is not as free market and mainstream as the group would have its supporters believe. Over the years, TNC has developed cozy relationships with conservation agencies at all levels of government. Not only have these relationships allowed The Conservancy to finance many of its supposed "private-sector" land purchases with taxpayer money, but, according to numerous accounts, it has allowed the group to profit handsomely from such deals. According to a June 12, 1992 Washington Times report, U.S. Fish and Wildlife officials paid The Nature Conservancy $4.5 million in 1988 and 1989 for land in the Little River National Wildlife Refuge in Oklahoma, $1 million more than the land's appraised value. In 1989, the Bureau of Land Management gave The Conservancy $1.4 million for land the group had purchased for just $1.26 million in a simultaneous transaction. Washington Times author Ken Smith noted, "Up to the point of the transaction, The Conservancy had forked over exactly $100 for a purchase option agreement on the land. Wall Street investors in jail for insider trading never got a $140,000 return on a $100 investment." No doubt the deal was lucrative enough to make even Hillary Clinton, who turned a $1,000 investment in cattle futures into $100,000, green with envy.

Revelations that land trust groups such as The Nature Conservancy had made big profits off government land deals led to an investigation by the U.S. Department of Interior's Inspector General in 1992. The investigation found that the department had spent $7.1 million more than necessary on 64 land deals between 1986 and 1991.

There have been other government reports critical of Nature Conservancy land deals as well. In 1991, the Missouri state auditor found that the state "paid $500,000 more than necessary on six land purchases from the Conservancy," according to a June 19, 1994 Newhouse News Service report. "The auditor claimed there was a conspiracy to jack up the sales price on these tracts to help the organization regain $400,000 in losses claimed on two state park deals that went sour. That was a violation of state financial regulations..."

The Nature Conservancy's favorable land deals may be more than mere coincidence. William Moran, a U.S. Fish and Wildlife whistle-blower reported to Congress that his superior continued to handle land deals with The Nature Conservancy while applying for a job with the organization. In another apparent case of conflict of interest, a director for a state office of the Bureau of Land Management presided over complex land deals involving The Conservancy while serving a member of the Conservancy's state board of directors.

The Conservancy has other ways of tapping into taxpayer funds as well -- and for purposes that have nothing to do with land acquisition. In 1993, for example, the group received a $44,100 grant from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration for a Florida Keys National Marine Sanctuary outreach program. This "outreach" included developing and directing a "plan to counter opposition's push for county-wide referendum against the establishment of the sanctuary" and recruiting "local residents to speak out against the referendum at two Board of County Commissioners hearings." In other words, The Conservancy used taxpayer dollars to lobby. So much for the group's moderate reputation.

But government land deals and grants aren't the only controversies surrounding The Nature Conservancy. The group has frequently been accused of using intimidation tactics to force private landowners to sell their land. In one of the most flagrant cases of intimidation, a state director for The Conservancy threatened to have the government condemn a landowner's property if he refused to sell it for annexation to the Cypress Creek National Wildlife Refuge. "If your land is not acquired through voluntary negotiation, we will recommend its acquisition through condemnation," wrote The Conservancy's Albert Pyott in 1993 to the landowner, Professor Dieter Kuhn, a resident of Marburg, Germany.

Perhaps the greatest controversy involving The Conservancy occurred in 1994 when the group was found guilty by a federal judge of undue influence over a dying man. The man, Dr. Frederic Gibbs, a medical researcher who developed the electroencephalograph and conducted research in epilepsy, willed a 95-acre farm to The Nature Conservancy. Officials with The Conservancy apparently assisted Gibbs in changing his will after he had become mentally incompetent.

Despite its much-vaunted concern for preserving the environment, The Nature Conservancy nonetheless accepts contributions from such environmentally-harmful businesses as oil companies. The group is not particularly a friend of America's most disadvantaged Americans -- minorities. In 1990, it teamed up with the National Audubon Society to oppose a sheep grazing program by poor Chicanos in New Mexico even though the grazing was essential for an economic development project.

Selected Nature Conservancy Quotes

A Nature Conservancy official explaining how The Conservancy helps government agencies circumvent democracy....

"We do work closely with USFWS (U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service). We buy these properties when they need to be bought, so that at some point we can become the willing seller (to government). This helps the government get around the problem of local opposition." -The Nature Conservancy's William Weeks quoted by syndicated columnist Warren T. Brookes, January 23, 1991

The Nature Conservancy making a German landowner feel at home -- in Nazi-era Germany, that is...

"If your land is not acquired through voluntary negotiation, we will recommend its acquisition through condemnation." -Albert Pyott, former Illinois state director of The Nature Conservancy, threatening Dieter Kuhn of Marburg, Germany, quoted in The New Orleans Times Picayune, June 19, 1994

111 posted on 07/24/2002 9:26:10 AM PDT by countrydummy
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To: countrydummy; Ramius
I really do appreciate your efforts. Much of your provided anecdotal evidence does pass the sniff test. My curiosity about this particular group is not so great that I want to rifle through volumes to find out about it, and I appreciate summaries from people who do know... I now view this group with a healthy skepticism, and think they need watched. Groups like this can be pressured too... Leadership changes, some of the philosophies will be better than others in an organization as big as this.

The stories of the government overpaying cause me worry... The validity of appraisals on properties unseen are tough to measure, but I will take you word for it that we need to look very carefully at the deals. The seller has the right to ask a price. The buyer is buying with our money in this case and should definately be made to account for it. Thank you, by the way, for watching them on our behalf.

As for the strong-arming tactics... possible, yes... probable if they have been putting together a big chunk of land as a preserve and one guy in the middle of it doesn't want to sell. I can picture that. We need to watch them. There can be a disagreement over how much the NC could know about competence and desire to change a will. I have now seen one win and one loss. There is potential for abuse, and the courts will always have to solve particular cases.

The little exposure I have to this process was one local land trust, unaffilliated with NC I think, who had a project to acquire the properties surrounding an estuary. They resold some of the property as buildable lots with conservation easements on part of it, and advertised it "Own your own nature reserve!". There was nothing sneaky about the encumberances, the preservation effort was used to market the property to nature lovin' buyers. I like the concept still.

I am defending the concept more than this group in particular. I hate the knee jerk reactions to environmentalism that conservatives have. I hate a lot of the silliness of the enviro-whackos too, yet I see a need for preservation of undeveloped space.

The woods has its own value as woods, but we are part of the landscape too. If there are plants or critters that cannot adapt to changing landscape and reasonable effort to just leave room, there is no artificial measures we can do to save them. We cannot stop time. Species have either adapted or gone extinct since before we were here, though we do have to acknowledge that we have an awful lot of impact where ever we go, and it is important to me to save some spaces. There are so dang many of us.

It is important to say that my definition of "save" does not mean exclusion of people, and that is an important point. Public lands must remain open to those that wish to venture there. Some places should be harder to get to than others, to please the rugged among us, but public lands must always be open. I will always lobby for that. My definition of "save" does not mean it cannot be logged and replanted and used. We just need to be smart.

Your story about "view-shed" strikes a chord. I know what you mean. Some have gotten so twisted as to think humans are not a natural part of the landscape. The answer is in the middle somewhere. Somewhere between the extremes. Conservatives do repel people with their callousness in response to conservation efforts. No one wants to buy into a "my right to piss on it" platform. If we are right about the silliness, then we need to find a way to sell our ideas as attractive ones. The ugliness of some of the attitudes on this forum bothers me because others are watching and listening too.

Thank you very much for your time.
113 posted on 07/24/2002 10:34:54 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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