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Oregon Fires: Heat, dryness, lightning, wind fuel wildfire flames
Oregon Live ^ | 22 July 2002 | STUART TOMLINSON and ERIC MORTENSON

Posted on 07/22/2002 9:35:33 AM PDT by Grampa Dave

Fires: Heat, dryness, lightning, wind fuel wildfire flames

07/22/02

STUART TOMLINSON and ERIC MORTENSON

PAISLEY -- Oregon National Guard troops plan to join the battle today as 16 forest fires continue to rage unchecked in Central and Southern Oregon, burning 219,781 acres during the weekend and threatening hundreds of isolated homes and ranches despite the efforts of nearly 8,000 firefighters.

Gov. John Kitzhaber is expected to visit the Paisley area in south-central Oregon this afternoon, where the Winter and Tool Box fires merged during the weekend into a "megafire" covering more than 87,000 acres, the state's largest. He will also visit the Squire Peak fire camp south of Medford this morning.

Those fires, feeding on dead and dry ponderosa pines, have jumped, twisted and spread in a manner that officials described as "incredible." At one point last week, the Winter blaze created a "tornado" of fire, lifting whole trees and utility poles as it grew in two directions along Summer Lake, spreading 10 miles to the north and two miles to the south.

Firefighters have managed to save houses but have had to let the fire take its own path at times, said Jim Mair, incident commander of the Winter fire.

"One of our people said this fire is like a dragon -- every time it turns his head there's fire, so we don't want to disturb the dragon," Mair said.

A contingent of 250 National Guard troops is expected today to help with firefighting duties. The troops, 150 from the 82nd Battalion based in Bend and 100 from the 316th Battalion based in La Grande, will focus efforts on the southern end of the Winter fire, where most of their time will be spent mopping up after the blaze.

As of Sunday, the troops had spent five days in Bend at a basic fire-fighting camp learning skills. The soldiers must be supervised by fire crew bosses to ensure their safety in the charred forests.

"The problem now is finding enough fire crew bosses to get them out on the line," said Chris Friend, a spokesman for the Oregon Department of Forestry. "We've been shaking the trees to make sure we get enough."

One Summer Lake resident, Judy Blais Napier, was critical of the way state and federal officials handled the fire. Napier, who had to evacuate her 13 Tennessee walker horses from her 400-acre ranch and who nearly lost her home, said response was delayed and officials wasted time deciding jurisdiction.

Officials disagreed, pointing out that their crews helped save Napier's home. They also said the number of blazes in the region was a factor in how the fire was fought.

"We were so stretched out, where do you go first?" Mair asked. "It's still that way with resources; we still don't have enough resources."

The combined Winter and Tool Box fires continue to threaten about 60 homes as well as Bonneville Power Administration power lines, said David Widmark, spokesman for the Northwest Interagency Coordinating Center in Portland.

"It's moving in several different directions," Widmark said. "The winds in that area, because of the geography, change very quickly. That's one of the reasons we've had a hard time getting a handle on those fires."

Flames raced over a major communications site atop a mountain, but the facility remained in operation, he said. The facility includes Oregon State Police, Forest Service, Lake County and Bureau of Land Management radio and cell phone relays.

The Winter fire was said to be 40 percent contained Sunday, but officials said heat and lightning continue to threaten the region.

Danny Mercer, a fire weather forecaster for the National Weather Service in Portland, said a new round of thunderstorms late Sunday could rumble up from the south into the south-central part of the state.

"It could get real nasty at first, with lightning and high winds," Mercer said. "But the model forecasts are showing that these storms may bring with them a lot of rain."

Mercer said the threat of thunderstorms along the spine of the Cascades will continue into Wednesday and possibly Thursday.

Although 16 of the Northwest's 17 largest fires are in Oregon, regional officials have made the lone Washington state fire their top priority, diverting air tanker flights to dump fire retardant and preparing to reassign crews if necessary.

The Deer Point fire near Lake Chelan, north of Wenatchee in eastern Washington, became the region's top priority because it threatens 250 homes, said Widmark, the fire coordination center spokesman.

Many of the threatened residences are upscale vacation homes, he said. One home was destroyed Sunday.

The coordinating center opens when large forest fires break out in the region. Operated by nine state and federal agencies, the center decides which fires in Oregon and Washington get top priority and assigns resources accordingly.

Firefighting priorities are decided based on a fire's potential to hurt people, destroy communities and harm commercial, historical and cultural resources, Widmark said.

The Deer Point blaze was started by a campfire, and the Tool Box and the Winter fires, which occurred in what signposts call "Oregon Outback" country, were caused by lightning strikes.

Lightning ignited drought-stressed sage and juniper, which flashed into the heavier stands of ponderosa pine.

In some cases, the fires have provided some benefit by thinning smaller trees and killing brush, said John Zapell, a U.S. Forest Service spokesman.

In other spots, however, including several key drainages, the fire burned hot and fast, torching trees into their crowns and taking even the largest ponderosa pines.

Dylan Rivera of The Oregonian contributed to this report


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To: Grampa Dave
Thanks for the bump, Dave !!
41 posted on 07/22/2002 2:05:14 PM PDT by blackie
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To: Grampa Dave
Thanks for the ping and the update.

I saw pictures this morning of the kids camping trip. In most of the pictures you couldn't see the other side of the lake bacause of the smoke.

Thanks, also, for the sat. photo. At least the coast has cleared up!

I've been here ten years. I don't remember the forest fires being so numerous then. It seems to me that it has been getting worse for the past 5 or so years.

Coincidence? I think not...

42 posted on 07/22/2002 2:20:56 PM PDT by dixiechick2000
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To: EBUCK
GREAT BUMPERSTICKER!

Good job, EBUCK!

43 posted on 07/22/2002 2:21:55 PM PDT by dixiechick2000
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To: dixiechick2000
I've located a printer willing to do it (you wouldn't believe how many of them didn't want my business because of the content, OTOH, maybe you would). I think I'm going to have around 100 done and see if I can break even.

EBUCK

44 posted on 07/22/2002 2:30:17 PM PDT by EBUCK
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To: EBUCK; dixiechick2000; SAMWolf; AuntB; blackie; WaterDragon
Okay you Oregonians, time to help EBuck pay for these stickers.

I will buy a few even for Kalifornia. Of course no one here will know where Oregon is, thanks to the great school system we have.

You guys and gals know who your fellow Oregonians are who feel the way you do. You need to buy these for your vehicles, your relatives and friends in Oregon.

Buy them and get them out on the bumpers while the enviral fires are raging.

It is time to put the responsibility in the laps of these enviral scumbags.

Great Job, EBUCK!

Can you imagine the impact if several hundred thousand of these showed up on the backs of working men and women's vehicles all over Oregon.

Everywhere that POS enviral poster boy governor goes, he should be greeted by a Freep with some Freepers with these signs.
45 posted on 07/22/2002 2:52:19 PM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: EBUCK
Let me know when (or if, heheh) you find a printer. I'd love to buy one from you!
46 posted on 07/22/2002 2:52:45 PM PDT by dixiechick2000
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To: blackie; EBUCK
Blackie buy some of EBuck's fire enviral stickers for your pickup. They will go good with your NRA bumper stickers.
47 posted on 07/22/2002 2:54:04 PM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: Grampa Dave
I've already been notified that my name is near the top of the list for the next round of National Guard callups if the fires continue to get worse.
48 posted on 07/22/2002 2:56:26 PM PDT by Tailback
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To: dixiechick2000; Grampa Dave
I've got the printer lined up, I'll be heading out that way after work today. I'm going to start with 100 or so, I can take a loss at this level, and if that goes well I'll probably do them up in batches. Also, if anyone has a local sticker shop we could all save shipping money by getting them made locally and distributing them locally.

If there are any changes you folks want made now is the time to speak up, i.e. ...the 2002 fire season (generalized, without "Oregon" on the sticker for you CA/AZ folks).

EBUCK

49 posted on 07/22/2002 2:58:47 PM PDT by EBUCK
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To: jaz.357
He is safe right now (as far as I know). He needs to be aware of how fast these fires can spread. Grants Pass gets very warm in the summer time and is far enough inland to become a a tinder box.

He needs to keep an eye on the Biscuit Complex Fire in the wilderness area of the Illinois River/Cave Junction Area. That is SW of Grants Pass on 199. It is burning out of control as there are basically no roads into that Druid Super Heaven, the Siskiyou Wilderness.

That area west of Grants Pass, has a lot of timber and a lot of timber/brush and other tinder boxes created by the eco facists the past 8 years.

He needs to have a couple of escape routes planned out. Like going north on I5 or south on I5 if there aren't fires there. If I lived in that area, I would head to the coast for the next week or so. He can check out 199 re the Biscuit Fire or go up I5 to the Drain exit and head for the coast. Bandon, Port Orford, Gold Beach and Brookings are very nice at this time of the year.

People in that area should keep a case of bottled water per person, granola bars and other snacks, sleeping bags, a weeks change of clothes, any medicine they need for a week or so in their cars/trucks/suvs with family treasures ready to go. Never get below a 1/2 tank of gas. Flashlights with spare batteries and a portable radio that runs on batteries for news should be part of the summer package this summer.

If he has respiratory problems, he should just go to the coast until this phase is over.

Good Luck!
50 posted on 07/22/2002 3:08:53 PM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: EBUCK; sauropod; countrydummy; AAABEST
Maybe you can have two files. One with the Oregon stuff and one without a state for us Kalis and other states.

Freepers across the nation can greet the burn arsonists of the violent eco groups as they go from city to city on their green terrorism tour with these stickers as placards.
51 posted on 07/22/2002 3:12:30 PM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: Tailback; EBUCK
You stay safe.

You might want some of Ebuck's stickers for your vehicle and your peers if you get called up. (I can just see those stickers on Guard Vehicles going to and from the fires this summer!:))

With your rank and MOS, I would think that you would be a priority call up.

Your personal page shows that this is not the first time that the enviro whackos have impacted your family and you!

52 posted on 07/22/2002 3:16:45 PM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: Grampa Dave
Actually I've managed to stay away from fires the whole 10 and change years I've been in the Guard. I did get called up for the 96 flood though. In my old unit we always had a large group of volunteers that were college students, the pay is pretty good for a young student. As far as envirals go, lets just say there's no love lost between them and I.
53 posted on 07/22/2002 3:27:36 PM PDT by Tailback
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To: Grampa Dave
How can there be forest fires in Oregon? The envirowackos that make up the vast majority of OR voters would never permit their forests to become unmanaged fire traps, would they?

The West continues to burn, thanks to the whacos, the government agencies and in-agency arsonists. In our fair state there are now a total of 14 big fires, and none is under control. All are in forests that have not been managed for years, are all full of dead fuel and are now contributing heavily to localized global warming (the only kind there is).

54 posted on 07/22/2002 3:28:13 PM PDT by Paulus Invictus
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To: Paulus Invictus
Which fire friendly state do you live in?
57 posted on 07/22/2002 3:52:14 PM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: All
Please go to the latest link and update on Oregon Wildfires: (Latest Oregon Wildfire Update Link)
58 posted on 07/22/2002 3:54:45 PM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: jaz.357
More info for you and your Dad in Grants Pass: Please go to the latest link and update on Oregon Wildfires: (Latest Oregon Wildfire Update Link)
59 posted on 07/22/2002 3:59:11 PM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: madfly; Grampa Dave
Thanks for the update.
I hope the enviral's get everything they have coming to them!
60 posted on 07/22/2002 4:23:36 PM PDT by hammerdown
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