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Bell companies request FCC permission to pass WorldCom debts to customers
Reuters ^ | July 21, 2002

Posted on 07/21/2002 11:00:24 PM PDT by HAL9000

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According to the Bells - We're all WorldCom customers now.

Since the Bell monopolies are largely responsible for this whole mess, I think they should just eat the WorldCom debt rather than passing in on to ratepayers.

SBC can sell off their investments in Africa, which will easily cover their WorldCom costs.

1 posted on 07/21/2002 11:00:24 PM PDT by HAL9000
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To: HAL9000
You can pay them now...or you can pay them later. (If they have their way, you'll pay them both now and later.)

They'll have you pay by hook or by crook. (In their world, they'll have you pay by hook and by crook.)

The bottom line is as George Will has said. Some companies operate under the premise of "public expense, private profit."

That is the case with public utilities and others similar to them, such as the bells.

Krupp steel works had such a deal going in 1930's/1940's Germany. It was part of their economic system.

2 posted on 07/21/2002 11:20:06 PM PDT by xzins
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Krupp steel works had such a deal going in 1930's/1940's Germany. It was part of their economic system.

Yeah, I think the Bell companies took lessons from them. Instead of Big Bertha, they've got an FCC-supported monopoly.

3 posted on 07/21/2002 11:30:15 PM PDT by HAL9000
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To: HAL9000
We are lucky down here and are with a non-Bell local phone company. Screw the Bells.


http://www.supratelecom.com/



4 posted on 07/21/2002 11:41:49 PM PDT by dennisw
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To: HAL9000
Isn't this sweet of them? Boy, we must all have "SUCKER" printed across our foreheads.
5 posted on 07/21/2002 11:44:34 PM PDT by SamBees
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To: HAL9000
How did Bell cause Worldcom. Don't tell me because of monopolistic practices....
6 posted on 07/21/2002 11:47:16 PM PDT by Bogey78O
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How did Bell cause Worldcom. Don't tell me because of monopolistic practices....

Why not? That was a large factor.

The Bells have committed repeated violations of the antitrust laws, the 1996 Telecommunications Act, and other violations (e.g. SBC's repeated violations of the Ameritech acquisition consent decree.) They figured out how to drive competition out of the market by violating the law and paying a relatively small fine, rather than complying. It was good for the Bells, but disastrous for the tech sector, the stock market and the rest of the country.

When the Bells violate those laws, instead of slapping them on the wrist, they should be whacked with a tobacco-lawsuit-size penalty, say $80 or $90 million. After a few of those, they might start complying with the law.

7 posted on 07/22/2002 12:03:55 AM PDT by HAL9000
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"They figured out how to drive competition out of the market by violating the law and paying a relatively small fine, rather than complying.

What freaking alternate reality do you live in. Last year SBC paid over $64,000,000 in fines because of Ameritech!

If must be freaking nice to have enough money like you to think that $64,000,000 is a "relatively small fine".

Get a clue!

8 posted on 07/22/2002 6:16:20 AM PDT by dd5339
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I think Hal has it in for the Baby Bells.

I work for one he has personally bashed, and I know for a fact that we jump through hoops and spend gozillions of dollars 'opening up' our equipment for 'competitors' to interconnect to.

I wonder if Hal owned a business he had spent billions and billions of dollars investing in the infrastructure for, he's just be all too happy to practically give it away to competitors who will then come in and skim off only the most profitable customers, leaving him with only the most marginally profitable ones.

9 posted on 07/22/2002 6:24:25 AM PDT by Trust but Verify
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Last year SBC paid over $64,000,000 in fines because of Ameritech!

That amount was the accumulation of smaller fines for numerous separate violations over a period of years since the Ameritech acquisition. And the dollar amount of the fines is decreasing - not increasing - which is hardly a deterrent to future violations. $64 mil is a drop in the bucket compared to the benefits SBC receives from their strategy to to make competition impossible by violating the law.

SBC did agree to pay a $27 million fine a few weeks ago for their illegal practices in California - billing for products never ordered or received. But that is not enough to deter them from future violations if they figure it will profit them.

10 posted on 07/22/2002 7:52:27 AM PDT by HAL9000
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I think Hal has it in for the Baby Bells.

Yeah, they're number three on my list - after the Clintons and the Democrats.

11 posted on 07/22/2002 7:53:34 AM PDT by HAL9000
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When the Bells violate those laws, instead of slapping them on the wrist, they should be whacked with a tobacco-lawsuit-size penalty, say $80 or $90 million.

Sure.

Riiiiigggggghhhhhhttttt.

Who the heck paid the "tobacco-lawsuit size penalt(ies)"? Hint: Not Phillip Morris. Not Reynolds. Not any of the tobacco companies. The poor smoker gets to pay it! Soo-prize! Soo-prize?

I haven't smoked in a lot of years. Therefore, ergo, viz, and QED, I didn't have to pay the tobacco-lawsuit size penalties.

But I'll have a problem getting along without a phone. So, by your premise, I'LL GET TO PAY THE DAMN "TOBACCO-LAWSUIT SIZE PENALTY".

Gee, thanks HAL.

12 posted on 07/22/2002 8:26:16 AM PDT by Ole Okie
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Let's see, if Hal9000 gets his wish and runs the phone companies out of business, who is going to be there to take over the phone service? The easy answer is no one. No one in their right mind would want to try and live under the regulatory environment that the Bell's have to survive in.

Guess that means if the Bell's went out of business then no one would have phone service.

Hey Hal9000, can you get a broadband internet connection by using two tin cans and a string?

All for now.

13 posted on 07/22/2002 8:44:22 AM PDT by dd5339
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Unlike the tobacco companies, the Bells do not pass the fines on to their customers - it comes out of their profits. You aren't paying the fines unless you are a shareholder in a Bell company.

I see that the stock analysts have downgraded SBC and BellSouth from "Buy" to "Neutral" this morning. Perhaps the shareholders are waking up to the fact that the Bells' strategy is backfiring.

14 posted on 07/22/2002 8:49:44 AM PDT by HAL9000
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Let's see, if Hal9000 gets his wish and runs the phone companies out of business, who is going to be there to take over the phone service?

Don't be absurd. I'm don't favor running the phone companies out of business, but if they don't cease their violations of the law, I would favor busting up the multistate holding companies into state units, and shifting regulatory powers from the feds to the states. That would make them more accountable to local customers

Hey Hal9000, can you get a broadband internet connection by using two tin cans and a string?

That's approximately what I've got with SBC. My Southwestern Bell phone line had so much static on it last week, I told people to call back on my cell phone so we could have a normal conversation. And I'm on a 28.8 kbps dial-up connection. Meanwhile, SBC is using ratepayers money to purchase and upgrade systems in Africa, Mexico, Canada and everywhere else except their local service territories in the U.S.

15 posted on 07/22/2002 9:00:12 AM PDT by HAL9000
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Unlike the tobacco companies, the Bells do not pass the fines on to their customers - it comes out of their profits.

Parm me while I say "Barbara Streisand".

Ultimately, the customer pays. You (or I) will pay said fines, even while state or federal regulatory bodies assure you that they are holding the regulated industry to 7 or 8 percent profit and that "fines will come out of profits".

The Baby Bells aren't in the bidness of printing money.

I'm certainly enjoying paying the Gore tax to wire all rural schools (that wasn't supposed to be paid by the consumer, either) and the Spanish-American war tax. Bye-the-bye, did we win that war?

16 posted on 07/22/2002 9:52:15 AM PDT by Ole Okie
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Hey Hal9000, I WISH I could get SBC here! It'd be a major improvement! Alas I'm in an 'exclusionary' zone despite being in SBC home territory, and CANNOT get SBC. I am stuck with Sprint...wanna talk about problems with a phoneco?!!
17 posted on 07/22/2002 10:26:09 AM PDT by Vic3O3
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To: HAL9000
Bells - All our debt is belong to WorldCom customers.
18 posted on 07/22/2002 10:29:37 AM PDT by It'salmosttolate
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To: HAL9000
Bells to WorldCom (and by extension to FCC): "All your customer base are belong to us..."
19 posted on 07/22/2002 10:33:54 AM PDT by mhking
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You (or I) will pay said fines

Are you alleging that the Bells are violating the law by illegally passing the costs of fines on to the customers without regulatory approval? If so, it should be investigated.

20 posted on 07/22/2002 10:37:39 AM PDT by HAL9000
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