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Water tower message rejected (Modesto Bee)
Modesto Bee ^ | July 17, 2002 | Molly Dugan

Posted on 07/17/2002 8:00:26 PM PDT by vikingchick

RIPON -- More than a dozen people shared their ideas Tuesday night about what phrase should be painted on the 175-foot-tall water tower at Jack Tone Road and Highway 99.

After nearly an hour of debate, the City Council voted unanimously to leave it blank.

In the past few weeks, residents have wrangled over whether "God Bless America," "One Nation Under God," or "In God We Trust" should be emblazoned on the water tower. "I would hate to see that tower become a billboard," said Councilman Mike Restuccia. "I don't think it shows anymore than a reaction to something that has happened."

Councilman Don Moyer proposed making the water tower a patriotic display in light of the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals decision that says the phrase "under God" in the pledge of allegiance is unconstitutional and the anniversary of the Sept. 11 attacks.

Although he cast his vote with the rest of the council, Moyer stood by his original notion that Ripon should express its patriotism and faith.

"As a community, we do trust in God when the going gets tough," he said.

But the other council members and several citizens said they did not agree that the water tower is an appropriate place to make that statement, especially since City Attorney Thomas Terpstra acknowledged that the city could be sued for painting the word "God" on public property.

"I don't think that we as public officials have the right to force our beliefs on anyone else," said Mayor Dan Prince.

Those who spoke out were divided.

Some said the water tower presented an opportunity to send a message, and that the city should not be concerned with "some crackpot" filing a lawsuit.

One resident read his Bible at the podium to make his point.

Les Haveman cheered him on. "If the city does not go along with this, one would have to question their loyalty to the national motto, 'In God We Trust,'" he said.

Others felt the water tower should not be used as a pulpit, and a religious message could alienate some residents in a time when people should be united.

Many suggested nonreligious patriotic statements, like "We hold these truths to be self-evident" from the Declaration of Independence, to avoid imposing faith on others.

"It really does offend me when I see God's name up in public places," said Gaynl Stouffer-Trotter. "It trivializes it."

The council also scrapped the idea of putting a flag on top of the water tower because of the logistical problems with maintaining it -- and the fact that it would cost about $35,000 to install.

"It's too oddball of an idea," said John Lawton. "And I think it's dangerous."

Some residents said they are patriotic, but think the water tower is the wrong place for a flag.

"I'd like to see the water tower blend into the environment," said Harry Dedini. "With the flag, we might have to stick a beacon up there."

They agreed to look into putting a flag next to the Ripon welcome sign at southbound Highway 99 and Jack Tone Road, and creating a flag display at the proposed sports complex.

Bee staff writer Molly Dugan can be reached at 239-2152 or mdugan@modbee.com


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: ripon; watertower
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1 posted on 07/17/2002 8:00:26 PM PDT by vikingchick
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To: vikingchick
"I don't think that we as public officials have the right to force our beliefs on anyone else," said Mayor Dan Prince.

The ACLU wins.

2 posted on 07/17/2002 8:04:30 PM PDT by IronJack
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To: vikingchick
How about "Vote for Simon" before Red Davis gets it.
3 posted on 07/17/2002 8:05:59 PM PDT by evolved_rage
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To: IronJack
Some said the water tower presented an opportunity to send a message, and that the city should not be concerned with "some crackpot" filing a lawsuit.

Yes, I belive that's who they were referring to in the above statement.

4 posted on 07/17/2002 8:06:57 PM PDT by vikingchick
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To: vikingchick
"It really does offend me when I see God's name up in public places," said Gaynl Stouffer-Trotter. "It trivializes it."

Gee Gaynl Stouffer-Trouter. I wonder if God Jesus Christ-Holy Spirit feels the same as you?

To think of him as Trivial anyplace is indeed Trivial.

Stop trying to pretend your defending him it makes you look cheap! Then again?

5 posted on 07/17/2002 8:08:32 PM PDT by chachacha
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To: evolved_rage
Good one! Paging Simon....
6 posted on 07/17/2002 8:08:38 PM PDT by vikingchick
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To: vikingchick
Could someone explain to me how it is "dangerous" to paint a flag on the water tower?
7 posted on 07/17/2002 8:14:18 PM PDT by Husker24
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To: vikingchick
"Who Did Chandra" would be appropriate.
8 posted on 07/17/2002 8:15:56 PM PDT by per loin
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To: Husker24
In California, it's dangerous. Very, very dangerous. Lawsuits galore.
9 posted on 07/17/2002 8:19:05 PM PDT by vikingchick
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To: chachacha
Gaynl Stouffer-Trotter----I wonder if this is a man, woman, or all of the above?
10 posted on 07/17/2002 8:21:14 PM PDT by vikingchick
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To: IronJack
"I don't think that we as public officials have the right to force our beliefs on anyone else," said Mayor Dan Prince.

Yeah but its ok to force your tax policies on everyone.

11 posted on 07/17/2002 8:21:18 PM PDT by Militiaman7
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"I'd like to see the water tower blend into the environment," said Harry Dedini. "With the flag, we might have to stick a beacon up there."

You all know where this guy can stick a beacon.
12 posted on 07/17/2002 8:24:13 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: Militiaman7
I think representatives are elected to set tax policy. If you don't like it campaign against them. But they are clearly not elected to support your religious beliefs or those of any majority. What is your problem that you need our government to reinforce your belief in God?
13 posted on 07/17/2002 8:25:45 PM PDT by breakem
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To: Husker24
I think they should have painted a big ole Confederate flag on it, just to confuse everyone and get attention.
14 posted on 07/17/2002 8:25:59 PM PDT by agrandis
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To: breakem; Militiaman7
The politician's comment was absurd, as are all statements from modern politicians. A lawmaker is always promoting his "beliefs." How else could it be?
15 posted on 07/17/2002 8:28:00 PM PDT by agrandis
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To: vikingchick
As long as they leave room for cool adolescent boys to write their girlfriends names ( and losers their schools or own names) I don't see where there is a problem.

If they are going to take up so much room that it interferes with boys' exercise of their fundamental right to use of the water tower then one could argue that it would be un-American.

ACLU: Anti-Constitution League of Un-Americans

16 posted on 07/17/2002 8:28:12 PM PDT by mrsmith
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To: per loin
Oooooo. That would send a message to a certain somebody whenever they drove down 99.
17 posted on 07/17/2002 8:28:42 PM PDT by vikingchick
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To: Husker24
 
Could someone explain to me how it is "dangerous" to paint a flag on the water tower?

"putting a flag on top of the water tower "

Put, not paint.  Put.

18 posted on 07/17/2002 8:31:26 PM PDT by gcruse
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To: agrandis
Elected officials are not allowed to use their office to use taxpayer funds to promote their religious beliefs. What country are you posting from?
19 posted on 07/17/2002 8:32:30 PM PDT by breakem
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To: vikingchick
All the above plus a few!
20 posted on 07/17/2002 8:44:06 PM PDT by chachacha
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