Judge Allows Danielle's Dad Back In Court: (Damon was banned for MAD-DOGGING Westerfield!)

North County Times-San Diego ^ | July 13, 2002 | Kimberly Epler

[Spunky]

Supposedly Brenda has been harrasing people who have come to look at Westerfields house. At least one couple has reported this as happening. The lawyer for the van Dams deny it ever happened because Brenda had a support person with her all the time and she said it never happened.

Who to believe? Who to believe?

[Freedom2specul8]

Oh ok, that would HELP. LOL I've been reading comments on the other thread that I missed and stuff. Will read and "get back to ya"..

[spectre]

"Who to believe"

Dusek (for once) didn't "object" when Feldman told Mudd the Van Dams were harassing the Real Estate agents and their clients...I guess that speaks for itself, "who to believe"..

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[Ditter]

I have experience with the hatred & anger that is felt when you lose a child. My 18 year old son was killed by a Mexican & I hated all Mexicans with a hatred so terrible that the thought of it embarrassed me now. I could not sit in the courtroom with DW if I believed him to be the murderer of my daughter. Someone said the VD's had to be coached on how to act, that person needs to do some reading about the stages & effects of grief. If anyone mistakes my reply as a defense of the VD's lifestyle they are mistaken.

[MizSterious]

I don't recall mentioning anything about their lifestyle. I only commented on how odd it was for her to be so friendly to someone she is supposed to believe was her child's murderer. I maintain--if it had been me, I could not have looked at him and smiled as she did. No way.

[spectre]

Really...Kim. How awful of the Van Dams to do this. You'd think they'd want a nice family in that house? Naahhh.

I'm getting ready to go out for awhile myself. Maybe you can answer the question if you think it was normal for the Van Dams to be mad-dogging people about that house or not? Surely, you still have some scrupples left after defending the Van Dams?

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[Freedom2specul8]

Bringing from the previous thread. Some have said that Danielle became a pro at hiding the sexual abuse....

We were flipping the channels on the tv ..and stopped on this 'reality' show about a teen who HATES his parents NUDIST lifestyle. Of course we didn't know this right away. within a few minutes, I mean literally few minutes, due to creative editing.. we learned that the mom sat around nude all the time in teh house in front of her ''dressed'' son, they lived in a nude community with nudist restaurants and swimming pool, a local nude band had a nude singer who was literally about 300lbs..., and the mom described for the audience how she was videotaping her son when he was a little kid..and while taping he pooped..I of course was appalled ... Right before we turned the tv off...we watched him get very mad at his mom for sharing that story on camera, and watched her laugh at him for getting angry. She made you want to slap her silly.

I suppose if Danielle was made to be comfortable with a perverted lifestyle someone would have picked up on it......haven't seen evidence to indicate that. Maybe someone will tell us soon, how much little Danielle was really and truly exposed to because currently, Danielle appears to have been nurtured to good health, education, and had good social skills. Of course, there's the movie mommie dearest..but of course, in that movie...(real life) some of het uncles knew what was going on to the little girl. It appears to me the parents led a double lifestyle, one of which was hidden from their kids. There's no evidence to indicate otherwise. THey were active parents, yet had locks reversed so the kids wouldn't catch them doing whatever in the garage. So, if there is more evidence..why isn't the LE leak telling rick roberts?

[Mrs.O'Strategery]

Of course we didn't know this right away. within a few minutes, I mean literally few minutes, due to creative editing..

This is exactly what many on this board have been saying-- where is Danielle VanDam's journal??

[Mrs.O'Strategery]

Sorry, late night. Scrap that last reply. I read your post wrong! :)

[Spunky]

I just went back a re-read the article. I had it a little mixed up. I see now that it was when Brenda cursed at one of the witnesses for Westerfield that she had a support advocat person testify that it never happened. It appears that no one can deny she was harrassing the buyers.

Reposting the part from the article.

Feldman said the van Dams have been "verbally attacking" potential buyers who are looking at Westerfield's Sabre Springs home, which is two doors down from their house. Westerfield signed the house over to his attorneys.

Feldman also accused Brenda van Dam of muttering a curse word at one of Westerfield's friends who testified earlier this week.

Prosecutor Jeff Dusek told Mudd that Brenda van Dam denies making any such comment and a victim witness advocate who accompanies her each day backs up her account.

[Freedom2specul8]

You mean you are believing news paper reports now? I wonder what they said...you know, defense attys are prone to exageration. I want quotes..

[EllaMinnow]

And I think a lot of people tend to forget just how young seven is.

[It's me]

Kim, I noticed that there were 3 other articles posted on FR this morning about children taken from their beds, Elizabeth Smart (14), Danairriah Finley(4) and Christy Rhyno (3)

But of course it's totally ridiculous and impossible for this to also happen at the Van Dam residence. No one could possibly sneak in and out of a home where the parents are wasted on alcohol and pot. Just couldn't happen

I don't think people are saying someone couldn't have gone into the VanDam house and taken Danielle. I think what people are saying is that there are unidentified fingerprints in the Van Dam house, and the probability of a drunk Westerfield going into a house he doesn't know, stealing a child from her bed, the dog not barking, and Daman not hearing anything is farfetched; and the stories that the Van Dams and friends are telling keep changing.

I think you know that you are spinning.

[Freedom2specul8]

regardless, I thought the journal was still in teh bedroom. It wasn't a secret to the investigators.. :(

[Freedom2specul8]

The anger and/or sorrow can completely dominate one's life for while at least...I am so sorry to hear about your loss. Honestly, I don't see how any parent can sit through murder trials....may it helps some heal.

Stages of grief

Denial, anger, negotiation with God, resignation, acceptance..

[cyncooper]

I posted last night that I would not hesitate to call 911 immediately if my daughter was not in the house or yard. Others differ and that's fine, but it is what I would do. As to having drugs all over. So far all we know about is a joint that was smoked and finished in the vehicle at the bar. There isn't evidence they had drugs all over the place. The neighbor had brought the kids over and was told Danielle was still sleeping so it isn't like there aren't witnesses that she hadn't gotten up yet until the neighbor children arrived and then Danielle was discovered missing.

[JudyB1938]

About 40 years ago, my not-quite 2 year old daughter was missing when I woke up. She was no where in the house or in the yard. I RAN down the street to the pond. She wasn't there. I, for some reason, went down another street and there she was - 1/2 mile away from home. She was walking to her granny's house!

So that's what my first instinct was ... to frantically search myself. In my terrified mind, it never occurred to me to call the police.

[pyx]

This is 'F'ing stupid.....The perv is lucky the VD haven't attacked his sorry @ss and ripped him to shreds. I'm all for vigilante justice in child killings.

Well, since you feel that way, let's just execute YOU. Someone killed Danielle Van Dam and I am a lot more popular and liked around here than you, so it really shouldn't really matter if we kill you. In fact, with your thinking, what's the need for a Constitution ?

[cyncooper]

Are you saying you think it's a pack of lies?

Could be.

[Freedom2specul8]

Wow, I'm glad you pointed those out..I had to go back and reread the article again..and missed it.

Prosecutor Jeff Dusek told Mudd that Brenda van Dam denies making any such comment and a victim witness advocate who accompanies her each day backs up her account.

These peope are sometimes volunteers, but are normally paid employees of the prosecution's office. They are a WONDERFUL link between the victims and prosecution office. They are trained to explain court procedures, sit with victims during the trial, help console, answer questions, listen when the victims need to talk to someone who's experienced in this area. They have numerous clients... they are suppose to be the answer to the victims not having a say or a part in the trial. Some nitwit tried to get brenda in trouble...probably had NO CLUE the victim advocate was a paid employee and not a personal friend..