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Testimony costs flight attendant her job
SignOnSanDiego ^ | July 12, 2002 | Kristen Green

Posted on 07/12/2002 7:06:01 AM PDT by MizSterious

Testimony costs flight attendant her job

Airline fires witness for admitting pot use

By Kristen Green
UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER

July 12, 2002

Denise Kemal was fired June 28, more than two weeks after her nationally televised testimony, because the company has a zero-tolerance drug policy.

Losing her job has ruined her life, Kemal said yesterday. "I've always wanted to fly," she said. "It took me years to get my job."

She said she is appealing the dismissal because smoking marijuana "wasn't an everyday thing." While she waits for an answer, Kemal, 28 and recently divorced, watches the Westerfield trial from the couch of her new Florida apartment.

Kemal was called to the witness stand by the prosecution June 10. She was at the van Dam home Feb. 1, the night 7-year-old Danielle van Dam was last seen, and spent the evening with Brenda van Dam, the girl's mother.

The two had become friendly through their husbands, who both work at Qualcomm. A spokeswoman for Southwest confirmed that Kemal had been fired, but declined to elaborate. She said company policy states that the "illegal use of drugs, narcotics or controlled substances off duty and off company premises is not acceptable and may result in termination because it can affect on-the-job performance and the confidence of our customers in the company's ability to meet its responsibilities."

Kemal said she was just answering questions posed to her during Westerfield's trial because "I want to make sure he gets convicted."

"Because of him, it's just ruined everyone's lives," she said.

Kemal testified that she went out with her Tierrasanta neighbor Barbara Easton and Brenda van Dam to Dad's Cafe & Steakhouse in Poway two Fridays in a row, Jan. 25 and Feb. 1. They were celebrating Kemal's upcoming move to Baltimore, where she had been transferred for work.

The second night out, Feb. 1, she was introduced to Westerfield, whom she has described as "creepy." Westerfield is charged with kidnapping and murdering Danielle. If convicted, he could be sentenced to death.

Kemal said the three women first celebrated her move Jan. 25. Kemal and Easton, who lived in the same apartment complex, shared a bottle of wine before driving to the van Dams, Kemal testified. She said she smoked some marijuana in the van Dams' garage before they left for the bar.

The next week, the three women decided to spend that Friday night partying at Dad's again after Damon van Dam canceled plans to go out of town and agreed to stay home with the couple's three children.

On Feb. 1, they smoked pot in the garage a second time, Kemal testified, and she and Easton shared a beer. Later in the evening, they partied at Dad's, where they ran into Westerfield. At one point in the night, they went to van Dam's sport utility vehicle to smoke marijuana again.

Kemal said her supervisors learned that she had smoked pot because customers mailed newspaper articles about her testimony.

She had never had problems at Southwest before the trial, she said. In fact, she regularly received letters of commendation from airline passengers since she was hired in November 1998.

Once, a Texas couple she had met on a flight sent a box of candy to her home. Kemal, in turn, shipped them a set of candles for their living room.

Kemal said that even after Sept. 11, she didn't have any reservations about flying.

"I did it because it's my job, and I love my job," she said. "I get to travel and meet different people. I like to serve the public."


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: 180frank; danielle; denisekemal; kidnap; michaeldobbs; vandam; westerfield
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To: MizSterious
but this site has gotten so liberal

LOL

This latest refrain that if you think DW did it you are a liberal is a hoot!

I well remember Nancy Grace and her disgraceful defense of clinton during impeachment. A pox upon her for that. That she thinks DW did it and I think he did it does not, therefore, equate to the conclusion that I agree with her every thought----far from it!

181 posted on 07/12/2002 9:53:15 AM PDT by cyncooper
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To: Henrietta
Is the jury always privy to the affidavits?
182 posted on 07/12/2002 9:54:17 AM PDT by hoosiermama
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To: afraidfortherepublic
My post was in response to mizsterious's comments, ABSOLUTELY not yours. My apologies for the misunderstanding. Not taking personal responsibility IS a liberal tactic ....I just wanted you to hear the 'OTHERSIDE', and the other side isn't just me that she has a problem with. Some think it's wrong to reply to her, and that we should just ignore it....but not always...hence their lable of vd apologists to some of us since the beginning of the vd saga. it's a total crock.

And re: your post on typical liberal claptrap--that's what some of us have been saying on these threads since the beginning, but y'know how it is--the culture of the victim is hard to resist for some, and in any event, I don't think FR is as conservative as it once was. Many liberal infiltrators (masquerading as conservatives) have popped up. Not as obvious as Esquoire or however he spelled it, but bad enough.

183 posted on 07/12/2002 9:54:21 AM PDT by Freedom2specul8
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To: MizSterious
P.S. As to consequences. Denise got caught breaking the rules and is paying the price. Isn't she paying the consequence? I'll not say she lost her job unjustly.
184 posted on 07/12/2002 9:54:53 AM PDT by cyncooper
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To: afraidfortherepublic
lable = label..
185 posted on 07/12/2002 9:55:34 AM PDT by Freedom2specul8
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To: Henrietta
They are certainly racking up a list of appeals.

My question remains, why the spin? Why can the evidence not stand on it's own merit?

The bug guy was VERY credible. The ME left the door open, IMO, for Faulkner's dates with out p*ssing off the DA or verifying Defense. There are supposed to be more experts....Wonder who? One rumor is another bug guy, and another compter guy.
186 posted on 07/12/2002 9:56:36 AM PDT by Jaded
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To: clearvision
In 2000, an investigator for the District Attorney's Office wrote a memo to a prosecutor accusing Keyser and Ott of falsifying statements in an affidavit in order to get an arrest warrant. It is unclear if the officers were disciplined as a result of the accusation.

This is info that Nancy Grace was trying to skirt around on CourTV this morning. What are you afraid of, Nan?

These two officers have a history (several cases) of false statements to get search warrants. They also improperly continued to question DW after he had invoked his right to an attorney. This is why the affidavits were not presented at trial and were thrown out. Question to cops: if you really think that you "have your man" why not just follow procedure and let the system take care of it? Answer: Because they knew that they didn't have the right guy, but wanted to do everything they could to "help" the case.

Dumb move, guys.

187 posted on 07/12/2002 9:58:06 AM PDT by Henrietta
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To: cyncooper
I'll not say she lost her job unjustly.

Though I hasten to add I'm not exulting over it. It is sad and pathetic.

188 posted on 07/12/2002 9:59:07 AM PDT by cyncooper
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To: clearvision; All
Overall - not a horrible article - cept for this part

"Westerfield told police that Brenda van Dam told him about the dance when he ran into her at Dad's Cafe & Steakhouse in Poway the last night anyone saw her daughter. But she told police she never shared that information with Westerfield.

"Only Danielle van Dam could have told him about the daughter-father dance and only after she had been abducted," according to the affidavit, which was written by a police officer whose name wasn't disclosed in the documents.

It was unclear yesterday why the jury hasn't been allowed to hear about this discrepancy.

During the trial, a police officer testified that Westerfield told him Brenda van Dam talked about the father-daughter dance at Dad's bar. But in her testimony, she denied discussing the dance with Westerfield."

Now - here's Brenda's actal testimony -

13 Q. DO YOU RECALL ANYTHING ABOUT A FATHER/DAUGHTER 14 DANCE DISCUSSION? 15 A. I MAY HAVE TALKED ABOUT THE FATHER/DAUGHTER DANCE. 16 IT WAS COMING UP THE FOLLOWING THURSDAY. 17 Q. WHOSE FATHER/DAUGHTER DANCE? 18 A. DANIELLE'S. 19 Q. WHO WAS SHE SUPPOSED TO BE GOING WITH? 20 A. DAMON. 21 Q. WHEN WAS THAT COMING UP? 22 A. IT WAS ON THURSDAY NIGHT AT THE SCHOOL. 23 Q. THE FOLLOWING THURSDAY AFTER THE NIGHT AT DAD'S? 24 A. YES. 25 Q. DO YOU RECALL WHO YOU WERE TALKING WITH ABOUT THAT? 26 A. NO. I KNOW I TOLD DENISE AND BARBARA. I MAY HAVE 27 TOLD MR. WESTERFIELD.

189 posted on 07/12/2002 10:02:42 AM PDT by mommya
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To: cyncooper
It IS sad and pathetic. BUT she has no one to blame but herself. The fact that she blames DW gives more credance that he has been set up as a "Scapegoat". Whose the RN that works with alcoholic, I'm sure she'd have some insight into this?
190 posted on 07/12/2002 10:03:52 AM PDT by hoosiermama
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To: Jaded
Another rumor. http://resources.lawinfo.com/news/dsp_NewsArticle.cfm?articleID=24&site=kfmbtv

Thursday, July 11, 2002 More heavy duty experts on the way By William F. Nimmo, Esq. Edited By Jay Nault Unnamed news sources today stated that David Westerfield’s defense team plans to call Cyril Wecht, a very well-respected expert in situations such as this one. It is believed that Dr. Wecht will testify that Danielle van Dam died close to the time that her body became available to insects as a host. Dr. Wecht is the coroner for Allegheny County, which included Pittsburgh, and his area of expertise includes the ability to determine the time, cause, and manner of death of victims in homicides. Dr. Wecht is available as an expert in cases not involving his home county. I used Dr. Wecht in one of my own cases where a woman was accused of intentionally stabbing her boyfriend during an argument. Dr. Wecht’s testimony was a central factor in the jury correctly concluding that my client did in fact accidentally stab her boyfriend due the angle and trajectory of the stab wound, as opposed to stabbing him intentionally, which is how she was charged. The potential effect of Dr. Wecht’s testimony, when coupled with the testimony of David Faulkner, will certainly leave the prosecution with a major repair job. Although the prosecution’s cross examination of David Faulkner was very effective, common sense may still dictate that the insects did in fact infest Danielle van Dam’s body quickly. As I said earlier, one potential strategy to counteract this testimony would be for the prosecution to call experts of their own, but they will have more than a week to decide. There is still a lot to be decided in this case, and we shall see what happens.

P.S. Don't know what I'm doing wrong with the links.

191 posted on 07/12/2002 10:04:09 AM PDT by Krodg
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To: hoosiermama
If the warrents were obtained with false information, does the evidence procurred with those warrents get thrown out of court?

Gosh....I don't know.

192 posted on 07/12/2002 10:04:43 AM PDT by Southflanknorthpawsis
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
prescribed pot doesn't have the chemical that makes one high..right dread78645?

THC is the factor that gets you "high", it is also the drug that controls nausea.

In regulated marijuana the THC content is tightly controlled, if a batch tests too strong or too weak, it will be thrown out.
But, yes it will get the folks "high".

193 posted on 07/12/2002 10:04:56 AM PDT by dread78645
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To: hoosiermama
Not when they contain statements that are obtained by illegal, unconstitutional means! Any evidence obtained illegally can't come it, period. So if DW made statements to cops (or allegedly made statements; most cops lie to make a suspect seem guilty, or take statements out of context; we know that has happened numerous times in this case already)after he had asked for a lawyer, then they don't come in.

What amazes me is that cops know this rule, and they still try to cheat.

194 posted on 07/12/2002 10:05:16 AM PDT by Henrietta
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To: MizSterious
Check with the transcripts, but my memory of the testimony was that she was not bound, and that they could in fact tell by the skin left on her wrists--I think? Anyway, someone let me know if my memory is wrong.

I would like very much to see that testimong Miz..cause if the girl was not bound that is had to be her mom or dad..no one elses could have moved her around like that without fights all the way

I think they HAD to question if she was bound to explain the finder print.

Remember that DA made a BIG deal out of Westerfield "talking to someone " in the desert? Would an unbound child not have looked out the windows? Yelled for help? run out the door when he was stuck?

They are the ones that raised the possibility that she was alive on that trip..they can not have it both ways

195 posted on 07/12/2002 10:06:21 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Henrietta
"Because they knew that they didn't have the right guy, but wanted to do everything they could to "help" the case."

And perhaps not coincidentally--also the DA in his campaign. He really needed a quick arrest. I think he was hoping the trial would be delayed, as most would have been--that part of it might have backfired on him.

The police so far seem to have:

1. Announced a suspect

2. Leaked/spun to the press

3. Made the arrest

4. Looked for evidence to make a case

It should have been:

1. Get evidence

2. Make arrest.

196 posted on 07/12/2002 10:06:29 AM PDT by MizSterious
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To: dread78645
Thank you....
197 posted on 07/12/2002 10:06:38 AM PDT by Freedom2specul8
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To: Jaded
My question remains, why the spin? Why can the evidence not stand on it's own merit?

Because that would mean that they were WRONG, and we can't have police, prosecutors, and the media being wrong, now can we?

The ability to spew propaganda would be harmed by a public finding of fallibility! DW must be convicted at all costs!

198 posted on 07/12/2002 10:07:27 AM PDT by Henrietta
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To: Henrietta; hoosiermama; Amore
"If the warrents were obtained with false information, does the evidence procurred with those warrents get thrown out of court?"

calling attys..

fruit of the poisonous tree doctrine
n. in criminal law, the doctrine that evidence discovered due to information found through illegal search or other unconstitutional means (such as a forced confession) may not be introduced by a prosecutor. The theory is that the tree (original illegal evidence) is poisoned and thus taints what grows from it. For example, as part of a coerced admission made without giving a prime suspect the so-called "Miranda warnings" (statement of rights, including the right to remain silent and what he/she says will be used against them), the suspect tells the police the location of stolen property. Since the admission cannot be introduced as evidence in trial, neither can the stolen property.

199 posted on 07/12/2002 10:09:59 AM PDT by Freedom2specul8
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To: afraidfortherepublic
Somebody is sick here, and it is not me.

Right you are. Not to worry........99% percent of us know exactly where the sickness lives.

200 posted on 07/12/2002 10:11:42 AM PDT by Southflanknorthpawsis
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