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To: Carry_Okie
Your remarks are how all of us who use our God-blessed common sense look at the management of forestry; or close to it. Unfortunely, with the "Green contingency" there is no such concept.

The Greens maybe the cause of "the second revolution" here in America by trying to shove such BS down the throats of those in the know who refuse to swallow. Thank you for trying to spread "common sense" in a country where 25% are idiots trying to spread their propaganda, and the rest are the "silent majority".

21 posted on 07/11/2002 12:13:32 PM PDT by Issaquahking
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To: Issaquahking; Carry_Okie
I agree with you Issaquahking, Carry is using his God Given good common sense, and the Sierra Club and it's like have none! If they did, they don't want to use it! However such a fine critque as this should be sent far and wide, and Carry, I have done my part!
22 posted on 07/11/2002 12:37:18 PM PDT by countrydummy
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; Stand Watch Listen; freefly; expose; Fish out of Water; .30Carbine; ...
Here are two emails I received today.

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For Immediate Release:                                  Contact: Marnie Funk/Tracey Shifflett
July 10, 2002                                                       202-226-9019

USDA Reports Nearly Half of 2002 Projects to Reduce Wildfire Risks have been Blocked by Appeals - Usually by Environmentalists 

Forest Subcommittee Holds Hearing Tomorrow on New Statistics

Washington, D.C. - The Forest and Forest Health Subcommittee will hold an oversight hearing tomorrow on "Wildfire on the National Forest: An update on the 2002 Wildland Fire Season" at 10 a.m. in 1334 Longworth HOB.

USDA reports that delays caused by the appeals have significantly slowed efforts to pull tinder-dry overgrowth out of federal forests. These delays have contributed to the West's worst fire year on record. To date, with nearly half of the 2002 fire season left, more than 3 million acres have been scorched by wildfire.

The Departments of Interior and Agriculture have spent nearly $400 million on fire suppression - virtually all the funds appropriated for the activity.

A USDA internal report outlining reasons for delays in reducing fire hazards will be discussed at tomorrow's hearing. In Fiscal year 2002, the USDA proposed cutting down excess small trees that could fuel forest fires in 326 instances across the nation. Nearly half - 155 - of those projects have been delayed by administrative appeals. A score of these cases ended up in court.

In Arizona, a state plagued with wildfires, 75 percent of the fuel load reduction plans were appealed. In Montana, another state buffeted this summer by fierce fire, 100 percent of the fuel-reduction plans were appealed.

Chairman Scott McInnis:

"For those who have spent the last several weeks down playing the impact of appeals and litigation on forest management, this report is a bucket of cold water in the face. These numbers are a scathing indictment of the process that governs management of the nation's forests, and a harsh reminder of just how relentlessly ideological some environmental litigants have become.  The American people can expect a decades long cycle of destructive wildfires if this crusade against forest management continues.

"If ever there were a case for reforming the arcane and litigious way in which we manage our forests, this emphatically is it."

Confirmed Witnesses:

PANEL I
Sally Collins
Associate Deputy Chief
National Forest System
U.S. Forest Service
Accompanied by:
Denny Truesdale
Assistant to the National Fire Plan Coordinator
U.S. Forest Service
&
Tim Hartzell
Director
Office of Wildlife Fire Coordination
U.S. Department of the Interior

PANEL II
Jim Hubbard
Colorado State Forest Service
Colorado State University

Thomas Bonnicksen, Ph.D.
Professor, Department of Forest Science
Texas A&M University

Mark Pearson
Executive Director
San Juan Citizens Alliance, Colorado

Penny Morgan
Department of Forestry
University of Idaho

Michael Long
Assistant Director
Florida Division of Forestry _________________________________________________________

For Immediate Release:                                          Contact: Marnie Funk/Tracey Shifflett
July 10, 2002                                                                   202-226-9019

Committee Approves ESA Reforms that Require Federal Agencies to Use Proven Science, Peer Review in Major ESA Decisions

Reforms will better protect species and people who coexist with them

Washington, D.C. - The House Resources Committee today passed H.R. 4840, a bill to reform the Endangered Species Act, by a vote of 22-18. The bill, The Sound Science for the Endangered Species Act Planning Act of 2002, requires the federal government to rely on field-tested and empirical data in making major decisions under the Endangered Species Act, including the listing of species and determinations regarding critical habitat.

Similarly, the bill establishes a higher scientific threshold for petitioners wishing to list a species.  There must be clear and convincing evidence the species is in peril.  The bill requires that science used in major ESA decisions be peer-reviewed by a panel of scientists.  Finally, the bill requires the federal government to take into an account the impact of an ESA mandate on the economy of a region.

Chairman James V. Hansen's Statement:

"This legislation is a first step in fixing the Endangered Species Act, which over the years, has been blatantly abused by federal agencies and environmental groups alike.  This law has impacted millions of people and has caused ruin for thousands more.  One recognizable problem corrected by the bill is the ESA's lack of good science when making decisions that ultimately affect both the species and the people.  This bill ensures the use of sound science through peer review and improves interagency cooperation between the federal agencies and states.  As I have stated before, this will not fix everything that is wrong with the Act, but this is a common sense step in the right direction."

Rep. Richard Pombo's Statement:

"Passage of this bill is an attempt to ensure that the agencies charged with implementing the Endangered Species Act base their decisions on sound, peer-reviewed science. The Act is failing to protect and recover species, and is a major source of conflict with property owners.  We hope this bill begins the process of resolving the shortcomings of the current law."

Rep. Greg Walden's Statement:

"The crisis forced on the farmers and ranchers of the Klamath Basin is a tragic example of why the peer review of Endangered Species Act science is absolutely essential.  The devastation that resulted in that

community from the unjustified shut-off of irrigation water might well have been avoided if this bill had been public law two years ago.  Peer review of data is a concept that is widely recognized within the medical and scientific communities, and it's time it is incorporated into the Endangered Species Act.  Any time the federal government may undertake an effort that can have profound effects on people and communities; it should strive to make sure the data it uses is as close to definitive as possible.  One of the most effective ways of doing that is to allow independent, unbiased scientists to review the work of government biologists and evaluate whether their data supports the actions they're recommending."




The bill's specifics include:

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25 posted on 07/11/2002 1:08:41 PM PDT by madfly
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