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To: JohnGalt
The part about 'tools' that has changed is that it took a hundred years for the effect of the priniting press to cause societal shifts,

Actually, Johannes Gutenberg invented the printing press in 1450 and Martin Luther initiated the Protestant Reformation in 1517 -- a time span of 67 years. (Although reformist thought can be traced to others who predate the printing press).

Nevertheless, with this early example of improved information technology, you've cited evidence of societal change, not economic change. OTOH, the Industrial Revolution clearly precipitated economic change.

Similarly, while the improved communications of the "Information Age" may precipitate social change, the economics of high-tech manufacturing are merely refinements of the Industrial Revolution.

Granted, the two are closely intertwined, but they must not be mistaken for each other.

15 posted on 07/11/2002 10:38:22 AM PDT by Willie Green
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To: Willie Green
I think you are overlooking the role of politics. It was still German princes who had completely selfish/economic motives to back Luther just as the Southern Agrarians Aristocrats resisted high, protectionist tariffs, favored by a new urban Industrialist elite that had settled in the North.
16 posted on 07/11/2002 10:46:48 AM PDT by JohnGalt
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To: Willie Green
Apologies, I posted before completing my thought...

Industrial Age politics were formed around tremendous investment in capital equipment that could not be easily moved. Factories, mills, assembly lines... The robber barons quickly turned to statism and statist ideologies much the way the landed aristocracy in Germany created a welfare state to counteract the new labor politics of blackmail, the sit-down strike, and fundamentally scary ideologies like Marxism and Anarchy. Since the capitalist elite were small in number and like Lincoln, essentially unconnected to the tradition of American Conservatism, the state became the most powerful entity, similar to German Industry capitulating to the Nazi's to prevent a Red take-over.

This political equation existed until the 1950s when there was a tax rate of 93% on the profits from big business. At that time, with the USSR and Europe in ruins, there was simply no place else for capitalists to go.

Information Age politics will feature an end to urban areas that are unsafe and un-defensible (witness 9/11)and logically, a return to the localism paleo-cons so desire. The question is, will it be a violent transition or a peaceful one.

17 posted on 07/11/2002 11:05:22 AM PDT by JohnGalt
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To: Willie Green; JohnGalt
Similarly, while the improved communications of the "Information Age" may precipitate social change, the economics of high-tech manufacturing are merely refinements of the Industrial Revolution.
You might be on to something there. Someone once argued that we have merely added electronics to German weaponry and developed helicopters instead of tanks for blitzkrieg. The company I worked for sold a couple web apps that basically automated all business functions. Pretty cool stuff, but you still need to be moving physical goods for the most part. When amazon.com sells ones and zeros instead of books and CDs, we will know the revolution has come. I think it will take another generation to make that jump if it is even possible.

29 posted on 07/11/2002 10:55:11 PM PDT by sixmil
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