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2 major league teams in peril
Houston Chronicle ^ | July 11, 2002 | RICHARD JUSTICE

Posted on 07/11/2002 5:24:47 AM PDT by Dog Gone

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To: F16Fighter
You are precisely correct. Remove eight to twelve teams, redistribute the talent by draft or otherwise, get rid of the vanity teams that lead some cities to think they are major league cities, eliminate 240-360 major league players' jobs, and the law of supply and demand will take care of the rest.

In the 1950s, there were sixteen major league baseball clubs, including weak teams like the Washington Senators, the St. Louis Browns and later Baltimore Orioles, and several National League punching bags. It was not impossible to be familiar with all the players in your team's league and you got to see each other team 22 times per year. The pennant winners played off in the World Series. Hockey had only 6 major league teams. Football and basketball had a lot fewer teams too.

When you expand the leagues, you get higher salaries with more owners competing for the ego trip of signing the big stars. You also get minor league cities exercising civic pride to an unjustified degree who walk away when they can't add championships to their civic pride.

For the chronic anti-Yankee whiners out there, reduce the number of teams, concentrate the talent on fewer teams. Each team will still have a limited major league roster. Your clubs, if they deserve to survive, will get better compared to the Yankees and be able to compete. The Yankees were a dominant club long before free agency but not always, and not always even under Steinbrenner. Their farm sysytem is one of the very best and probably the best. That is not a result of market. Can the socialism. Let the market work. Any conservative should be ashamed to be envious in the sense of demanding their "fair share" of championships.

Last year, the A's and not the Yankees would have been in the World Series but for an incredible play by Jeter that is not likely to be duplicated. That's baseball and the A's did not whine. The Yankees lost to the Diamondbacks in the Series in the very last inning of the very last game with Mariano Rivera, as close to the perfect closer as we will ever see, blowing the save. Yankees and their fans had no business whining.

Everyone pays attention to Jason Giambi leaving the A's to join the Yankees for $120 million or so over 7 years. A's fans should be more concerned about losing minor league director Frank Ricciardi to the Toronto Blue Jays as their new General Manager. In the long run, that will be more significant as a loss since he was probably the best farm director in baseball.

61 posted on 07/11/2002 8:45:20 AM PDT by BlackElk
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To: dennisw
Last ball game I saw was minor league night game in Savannah and liked it a lot more than the majors. Real nice family atmosphere with kids running semi-loose and having a ball! $4 with plenty of free parking.

Savannah Sand Gnats? ;-)

62 posted on 07/11/2002 8:45:55 AM PDT by Jay W
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To: StockAyatollah
I nominate you for commissioner. You are right across the board.
63 posted on 07/11/2002 8:47:09 AM PDT by BlackElk
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To: ken5050
Some owners advocate that a strike by the players would abrogate all existing contracts......

Now THAT would be interesting!

64 posted on 07/11/2002 8:52:16 AM PDT by Petronski
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To: BlackElk
Thanks for the job offer! LOL. I am unemployed right now and besides, I couldn't do any worse than Bud.
65 posted on 07/11/2002 9:04:34 AM PDT by StockAyatollah
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To: Dog Gone
Hey, with the right two teams going out, the Rangers may have a chance after all!
66 posted on 07/11/2002 9:07:00 AM PDT by DainBramage
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To: StockAyatollah
You forgot 'dumping the designated hitter' concept. If a pitcher was scheduled to be at bat in a critical win lose situation, so be it. That is what made the game interesting.
68 posted on 07/11/2002 9:25:24 AM PDT by duckman
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To: F16Fighter
You are looking at MLB in the wrong way. This is not 30 companies competing in a free market. This is one company with 30 different plants, all inter-related. Just as GM may have to shut down an assembly plant because there is no longer a demand for that particular car, MLB may have to cut out a few teams.

It is not socialism for GM to ensure that (within it's divisions and plants) revenue is allocated "fairly" to ensure that those that produce good product for consumption within the GM system continue to survive. It would not be socialism for MLB to do some sort of revenue sharing to ensure that teams that don't have big bucks behind them can compete - it makes for a better product. The fact that they call it a "luxury tax" is irrelevant.

That said, if they strike, I will lose interest in baseball - I have been a Dodger fan since 1956, but now see former Dodger farm system talent on almost every team in baseball, while the Dodger team itself has only a handful of its own.

69 posted on 07/11/2002 9:35:24 AM PDT by BruceS
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To: Dog Gone
What baseball? They stopped playing back in '94 didn't they?

Did they ever start back?
70 posted on 07/11/2002 9:36:43 AM PDT by citizen
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Relax, Waldo.
71 posted on 07/11/2002 9:52:45 AM PDT by Conservative til I die
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To: Blood of Tyrants
OK I will stop watching sports now and only read National Review and Free Republic 24-7.
72 posted on 07/11/2002 9:54:13 AM PDT by Conservative til I die
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To: BlackElk
In the 1950s, there were sixteen major league baseball clubs, including weak teams like the Washington Senators, the St. Louis Browns and later Baltimore Orioles, and several National League punching bags

Exactly. The Phillies were one of the original NL teams, founded in 1883. They won their first World Series 97 years later, in 1980.

73 posted on 07/11/2002 9:54:37 AM PDT by malakhi
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To: StockAyatollah
First, on the salary cap, it is socialist and, on principle, am not in favor of it. However, professional sports leagues are different from normal competitive businesses. Businesses seeks to run competitiors out of business. Sports leagues can not do that and survive. The NFL salary cap model works exceptionally well.

For the others:

1) Dump interleague play. Having separate leagues made baseball different. It also made the All Star game more interesting.

Unfortunately for baseball, interleague play is a huge success. Attendance for the interleague games is 16% higher than regular games.

2) Dump the wildcard stuff. Again this makes baseball less special.

While I agree, it's not going to happen because it makes money.

3) Tell umpires to either enforce the strike zone the way the rule book says or find another job.

Agree but the average fan likes the 12 HR games. I would rather see a 1-0 pitchers duel.

4) Shorten the regular season. Its too cold and rainy in April to play baseball anyway. And this would make individual games more meaningful.

I also like the 154 game schedule.

5) Bring back the lost art of pitching.

You could do that by decreasing the number of teams and getting rid of the crappy pitchers. Or you could raise the mound height back to the pre-1967 levels. Bob Gibson and his 1.12 ERA changed that.

6) Performance-based pay.

Agree here. They could also just enforce the existing contracts and not let them renegotiate.

FReegards.

74 posted on 07/11/2002 10:01:32 AM PDT by Wyatt's Torch
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To: Hemingway's Ghost
It will not surprise me if the teams in question are Tampa Bay and the Reds. The Reds aren't going nowhere and attendance has been dismal this season.
75 posted on 07/11/2002 10:03:14 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: Dog Gone
Leper Colony In Financial Trouble
King of leper colony: "No more alternatives"

76 posted on 07/11/2002 10:07:04 AM PDT by SteamshipTime
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To: Jay W
http://www.baseball1.com/bb-data/bbd-aff.html

They were called Savannah Cardinals when I saw them .....
77 posted on 07/11/2002 10:18:03 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: dennisw
Must be a franchise and name change. They were the Sand Gnats when I saw them play in Savannah in 1998.
78 posted on 07/11/2002 10:28:00 AM PDT by Jay W
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To: Dog Gone
In recent years, many team officials have cited rising player salaries, falling attendance and stadium costs for the growing red ink.

The Falling Attendance.In a world dominated by cell phones,video games and a 'give it to me now' mentality,this certainly shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone.

79 posted on 07/11/2002 10:32:19 AM PDT by Pagey
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To: Dog Gone
"Our total debt is $3.5-$3.6 billion," he said. "It's stunning. Right now, there's nowhere else to go. Some clubs have enormous debt. Some of it is stadium debt, but it's still debt you have to pay off. There are teams in debt by hundreds of millions of dollars.

If Selig is telling the truth, then the average MLB team has $109 million in total debt. I don't believe him for a second. Let Selig open the books and show the numbers, and have them examined. What's the deal with stadium debt, there are no teams in baseball that I know that have paid for the construction of their stadium. There could be teams behind in rent.

80 posted on 07/11/2002 10:34:16 AM PDT by caa26
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