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To: Puppage; RCW2001; All
Doesn't "tolerance" fall into this game? Just because people don't agree w/their views, doesn't mean they can't march. Kind of like the gay pride parades, no? We're told to show tolerence THERE...why not here as well?

First let me say that both groups are anathema to me, and thus quite repulsive. However i have to emphasize the fact that the so called 'White Supremacist' groups are of a different nature to 'Gay Pride' groups..... much much worse.

The reasons for this are myriad, and quite simple at that. First of all to many Christians Gay Pride groups are a bastion of moral atrophy, spiritual decay, and all that is abhorable. This is not to say that Christians do not love the people who choose that lifestyle.....it only means they love the just do not like the lifestyle (but love the person).

HOWEVER the White Supremacists are everything abhorable that the Gay Prode groups are, and then MUCH more! They are considerably much worse. After all this is a group that will go and use fear, intimidation, threat of violence and actual violence to spawn schisms, dissention, and make certain population segments feel out of place and hated! They go out of their way to make certain people (read Jews, African-Americans, Hispanic-Americans, Asian-Americans) and anyone else who does not fit into their narrow visin of caucasian feel unwelcome. They are abrasive and attritive....and full of vitriolic angst.

Some of them even go as far as commiting blatant violence such as unabated verbal attacks, physical beatings and even murder! Tell me the last time you hear the Rainbow Coalition tie a person up and drag them until their limbs started to get torn off by the road surface and their head was found miles away from the body; or when did you hear GLAAD jump into a pick-up truck and trail a black woman and her two kids for several miles, shooting their car full of rifle rounds?

I may not like Glaad, and may even not want them in my community, but at least i am sure that there presence will not lead to some hapless little Jewish kid or black girl being tied up to some fence and killed for making the wrong turn and ending up in the 'Supremacist camp!

And a funny thing i have noticed. I have ran into several 'White Supremacists' and the weird thing is that none of them are 'superior' at anything! All of them to the letter (the ones i have met) are all ignorant people who never saw the insides of a highschool, dirt poor and living in either some trailer park or such conditions, and with such a limited grasp of intelectual acumen that they are basically humanoid automatons that follow the beck and call of their leader (who by the way is a demagogue and only uses these poor souls to further his nefarious ends). Yet they claim they are superior!?!

Anyways i may dislike Gay Parades....but i know for sure that you cannot compare the KKK, AN, or Skinheads to them! After all we know in which settlement any person with the name of Goldberg or Li or Spielberg or Mwangi would rather find his car with a flat in......the gay camp! Why? Because hate them or not the gays will not string you up on a wire fence and set you on fire........but the supremacist (depending on how drunk they are or how low their collective intellect is on that day) would do that in half a heart beat.

One group disrespects their own body....the other group tries to bring harm to others as well. And although in the US we have the freedom for expression....if that law was ever repealed (and i hope it never is...but just for the sake of discussion lets say it was) i would rather see the White Supremacist groups go before the GLAAD groups! Not because i like GLAAD or the Rainbow Coalition (i actually find them anathema....by the way ask your 'local skinhead what that word means and he will probably look at you ga-ga and start twirling around like a top with one hand rubbing the top fo his head and the other vigourously doing the same to his tummy)...but i know that whether i dislike GLAAD or not they will not go and try to kill innocent people with hangings and dragging and shooting and burnings (all those are recent 'actions' by several Supremacist groups in the last 3years). However the various White Supremacist groups have the history of using violence to further their dimwitted goals.

And one of the worst (if you discount the thousands of hangings prior to 1950 in the Black Communities) was the one in Oklahoma City by Tim McVeigh.....who killed hundreds in a bid to bring the writings of some White Supremacist novel to life (the book, i forget its name, strived to show how the attack of a government hub would lead to anarchy and chaos, that would elad to the rise of of renewed White 'Bortherhood' and 'cleanse' the nation of America)! And the ironic thing is that most of the dead were white..... and that that act just made more people see how stupid these groups are!

Hence the cover of Tolerance does cover both of these groups (the Gays and the 'Supremacists'....i get a fit of giggles everytime i type in 'supremacists). However one of the groups seems to not know the meaning of 'tolerance.' I wonder which?

I also wonder which would do more physical damage to a lost Korean-American girl walking through their settlement, or to a Jewish Father, or a Black Mother, or a White girl with a dark tan that makes her look half mexican?

That by the way is a rhetorical question!

56 posted on 07/10/2002 2:27:48 PM PDT by spetznaz
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To: spetznaz
If you look at my profile you will see that I have not been a member long but I have been lurking quite a while. But since this is taking place in my neck of the woods then I thought I should comment.

First the NA. They are really scum. We had a forum here in Hall County that I really enjoyed. They finally had to close it down because of these people. Their lanuage, threats, and rudeness was awful. They would spam the board about twice a day. One woman even posted a poem she claims her 13 year old daughter wrote about the poor little Arab hero's of 9-11. Made me barf. These people are worse than the klan ever thought about being.They hold these rallies about once a year and the police tell the population to stay at home.

Now to the other side of the coin. I do not shop in Gainesville anymore. In fact I try not to go through the town unless it's necessary. I have friends that have been robbed in broad daylight, by Mexicans, at the Wal-Mart that was mentioned. My sister was chased to her car by 4 Mexican boys. She got in and locked the doors and they were beating on the car. One of my friends sister was killed by a drunk Hispanic last week who was driving on the wrong side of the road. He was released from jail with his signature because they didn't want to pay his medical bills. He had no liscense or insurance. My friend went by the address that he gave them and they had already moved out. There are shoot outs and drive-by shootings at least twice a week. The southern part of Gainesville looks like a third world village. The men stand out on the street, yelling at people that go by, urinating in the parking lots of stores. And on and on and on......Sorry, I'm ranting.

Someone asked how did they know they were illegal? Because even the cops know that the Chicken Plants send trucks down to bring back loads to work. And as for as not being able to find anyone to work, that's bull$hit. Americans were working there before the plants decided that they could pay the Hispanics a lot less.

They use our hospital's emergency rooms as Doc. offices. That way they don't have to pay the bill. You can not get into the emergency room these days. They have caught women claiming each others children to get more food stamps. Our schools are overflowing. Where my children went to school they have had to open an old school that had been closed to have the 4th and 5th grades there. They only have heat in the classrooms and the lunchroom. And we pay for all of this. So now that I have been on my soap box I will climb back down and fade into the woodwork.

58 posted on 07/10/2002 3:17:55 PM PDT by georgiabelle
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To: spetznaz
Tim McVeigh.....who killed hundreds in a bid to bring the writings of some White Supremacist novel to life (the book, i forget its name, strived to show how the attack of a government hub would lead to anarchy and chaos, that would elad to the rise of of renewed White 'Bortherhood' and 'cleanse' the nation of America)! And the ironic thing is that most of the dead were white..... and that that act just made more people see how stupid these groups are!

The Turner Diaries? I think that's the book you mean.

85 posted on 07/10/2002 10:19:21 PM PDT by Mark Turbo
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To: spetznaz
Whatever your view, or opinion is on this "group", it is EXACTLY what tolerance is based on. If it Wasn't...tolerance would NOT be an issue. With that said, I am not comparing the 2 groups as equals. However, there are many, many people in the US that feel as strongly as YOU do about the white supremacist but towards the gay life style. Your likes or beliefs are not the issue, HOWEVER your ability to allow others THEIR opinions, whether you agree with it or not IS tolerance. But, as we ALL know....tolerance only goes 1 way, and that's the liberal democrat way.
89 posted on 07/11/2002 5:15:55 AM PDT by Puppage
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