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To: JameRetief
AMD has been digging a grave for themselves for the last 10 years or so competing against Intel for market share. AMD may have some advantages over some of the early Pentium line, but the Intel Itanium(servers/networks) is true 64-bit high end processing and the newer Pentium 4's have better end usage performance. 300mm wafer production is the next big evolution in semiconductor manufacturing and AMD is way behind in that.

As far as commercial sales EVERY vendor, Compaq, HP, Gateway, Dell has jumped on the Intel bandwagon. Why? They deliver.

5 posted on 07/09/2002 3:24:06 PM PDT by Pistolshot
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To: Pistolshot
The problem with Itanium is the simple fact that it is not directly backwards compatible. Revamping apps and OS's up to 64-bit costs a lot of money. K8 has no such limitation.

Bandwidth through the FSB and Core are far superior in AMD chips. Process handling is much more streamlined as well. Why do you think slower clocked chips out perform Intels big guns? Yes, Intel has somewhere around four times the manufacturing capacity AMD currently does, but they've also been around a lot longer. Intel also followed MS's lead in trying to get vendors sign exclusivity agreements (like Dell, Gateway, and HP). Compaq does actually have a couple of systems with AMD chips in them.

6 posted on 07/09/2002 3:36:38 PM PDT by Dead Corpse
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To: Pistolshot
AMD has been digging a grave for themselves for the last 10 years or so competing against Intel for market share.

I guess the fact that AMD has been gaining market share proves that they have dug their own grave, huh? And that AMD's competitiveness has caused Intel to act erraticly in many of their decisions also proves AMD is digging their own grave?

AMD may have some advantages over some of the early Pentium line...and the newer Pentium 4's have better end usage performance.

What, do you work for Intel? Because that is pure BS. Anyone in the industry knows that the Athlon line of processors from AMD has been beating the Pentium 4 (Intel's newest processor design, not the "early pentium line") consistently and handily. The Athlon processors don't require the same high speed ratings to compete with the Pentium 4. In order for a Pentium 4 to beat an Athlon in performance, the Pentium 4 needs to be approximately 400 to 500 Mhz faster. It is only because the newest (and very hard to find) Pentium 4 is clocked so high that it is able to (barely) claim the performance advantage.

the Intel Itanium(servers/networks) is true 64-bit high end processing

64 bit processing is a full implementation in the AMD Hammer line as well. From an article discussing the differences between the Intel 64 bit and the AMD 64 bit solutions in multoprocessing configurations:

"The full 64-bit support [in the AMD Opteron] will be particularly popular in some of the larger workstation (or HPC) tasks, and there seems to be a lot of customer anticipation in this area, particularly from workstation users. This will require OS and compiler support, which appears to be good so far, though application support will take longer. The crucial difference between Hammer and Itanium is that current x86 customers can use all their existing applications at full performance.

And the market is already not looking favorably on the Itanium lines:
Itanic 2 sets sail without suppliers

Dell sits out Itanium 2 dance

Dell snubs Itanium 2 launch party

Are we ready for Itanium 2?

From the above article: "Roland Baker, president of NetExpress, which sells servers and workstations to universities and chip designers, sees a similar situation: Customers want Linux boxes with Xeon or AMD Athlon chips and show little interest in Itaniums of any stripe."

300mm wafer production is the next big evolution in semiconductor manufacturing and AMD is way behind in that.

Intel's Pentium 4 and Itanium processors, using the new 300mm wafer production, are still much larger and more costly than the flagship Athlon processors using the old technology. The wafer production is a cost cutting measure, but due to processor designs, AMD is still using less die space and thus it still costs less to manufatcure the AMD chips.

As far as commercial sales EVERY vendor, Compaq, HP, Gateway, Dell has jumped on the Intel bandwagon. Why? They deliver.

First, Compaq and HP are now the same company. Second, Each of these vendors sell AMD systems as well, with the exception of Dell. Why? They deliver. And even Dell is considering using the Hammer CPUs instead of the Itanium 2 based CPUs.

7 posted on 07/09/2002 4:34:46 PM PDT by JameRetief
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