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Singer's remark riles Hispanics -- Greeley debates 'English' comment
Denver Post ^ | July 9, 2002 | Michael Riley

Posted on 07/09/2002 10:43:24 AM PDT by Tancredo Fan

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To: Tancredo Fan
Has anyone else noticed that in all these stories, the self-appointed "Hispanic leaders" all spoke English when they were issuing their fulminations? Why do you think they spoke to the media in English instead of Spanish? Do you think maybe it's because, oh, I don't know...they WANTED TO BE UNDERSTOOD?!!
81 posted on 07/09/2002 12:04:13 PM PDT by HHFi
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To: Bikers4Bush
They should be forced to learn english.

Why? Are they going to be billiards experts? Of course, English should be taught in the schools; english can be picked up at the local pool hall.

82 posted on 07/09/2002 12:06:12 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic
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To: HHFi
Do you think maybe it's because, oh, I don't know...they WANTED TO BE UNDERSTOOD?!!

They also have their Spanish language media, where I can bet this singer is being called every name under the sun.

83 posted on 07/09/2002 12:06:52 PM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Tancredo Fan
Way to go, Chad! I think my CD collection will be expanding its country/western selection now.
84 posted on 07/09/2002 12:09:39 PM PDT by StoneColdGOP
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85 posted on 07/09/2002 12:13:06 PM PDT by southern rock
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To: Bikers4Bush
They should be forced to learn english. They are coming here, therefore they learn our language period.

That's right. I'd like to find out how these whiners became citizens without knowing English. Chances are the majority of these folks are illegal alien criminals, in which case they should be deported to wherever they snuck in from.

86 posted on 07/09/2002 12:15:02 PM PDT by Tancredo Fan
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To: Doctor Stochastic
Very simply because that's the language the Bill of Rights, Constitution, etc. are written in.
87 posted on 07/09/2002 12:16:12 PM PDT by Bikers4Bush
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To: Tancredo Fan
By that standard, if I was to move to Mexico I'd have every right to become indignant when those around me failed to understand what I was saying.
88 posted on 07/09/2002 12:20:21 PM PDT by Doc-Joe
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To: Tancredo Fan
We don't speak Russian. We don't speak Spanish. We speak English here," Brock told an audience of 7,000, according to the Greeley Tribune. While many Hispanics in the audience walked out...

Well all I can say is that if these 'Hispanics' were offended by what he said then that means that they shouldn't have been offended. *** unless he said it in Spanish, they were hearing English.

It would seem that these people agree by learning English that is

89 posted on 07/09/2002 12:20:44 PM PDT by NativeSon
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To: Bikers4Bush
Yes. But should wills be forced to be in English? Should school children be beaten for speaking Spanish among themselves (happened here in NM, and in Texas, albeit 40 years ago)? Having the laws in English would seem to be a good idea (or even in legalese, a dialect of English.) Telling people how to speak among themselves is another thing entirely.

Most of the Hispanics that I know believe that comments like Brock's are aimed at personal habits. I've worked places where the boss would tell people not to chat among themselves in Spanish. I even know of a bank that wouldn't allow its tellers to use Spanish with customers; the policy lasted about 4 hours. Other places, (governmental) there would be orders that Spanish could not be used for chatting (however Polish, French, and German were allowed.)
90 posted on 07/09/2002 12:23:43 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic
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To: Mark17
I have always wondered why people are in such a hurry to come to America, and then are in a hurry to turn it into the same 3rd world hell hole they just came from.

So have I. Yesterday I asked my sister, "Why do people come to America and want to turn it into the 3rd world cesspool they ran from?". She said, "I didn't know, but they're about to turn me racist."

If minorities don't want to be hated, why do they try so hard? I don't want to hate anyone. I just want to live without having my life made harder by others.

I refuse to accommodate, anymore, those who insult me, and the people who fought for this country, by not having enough respect to learn our ways. I have had it, they can through my a$$ in jail, because the next person, wanting my service, who asks me if I speak Spanish, is going to get a lesson in gratitude.

91 posted on 07/09/2002 12:27:34 PM PDT by Razz Barry
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To: Doctor Stochastic
It's not your business what language they speak at home.

No one's trying to control what they speak at home. It's when they want to speak to those of us who don't feel we should have to learn Spanish, Italian, Chinese, Lebanese, Turkish, Urdu, Yucatec, Nahuatl, Serbo-Croation, Icelandic, French, Russian, Lithuanian, Greek, Ebo, Swahili, Portuguese, and Tagalog to accommodate the quivering, delicate sensibilities of all the immigrants who come to America. Just you wait till the day that some Spanish-speaking Mexican gets screwed over at the welfare office because the Chinese-speaking social worker doesn't speak Spanish, and said Mexican issues forth in a hissy fit, "Necessitas aprendre espanol!" (or whatever) and gets called a racist for it. I will be laughing somewhere, you can bet your sweet patooty.

92 posted on 07/09/2002 12:29:39 PM PDT by Anamensis
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To: Tancredo Fan
Brocks record sales are going to skyrocket. Let the non-english speakers listen to their jungle drums - I'm buying a Chad Brock CD.
93 posted on 07/09/2002 12:32:12 PM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: HHFi
Has anyone else noticed that in all these stories, the self-appointed "Hispanic leaders" all spoke English when they were issuing their fulminations? Why do you think they spoke to the media in English instead of Spanish?

Ooh. Good point.

94 posted on 07/09/2002 12:37:30 PM PDT by Anamensis
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To: Tancredo Fan
If these people don't think they should learn to speak English, they can go to hell as far as I am concerned. We don't need a country permanently balkanized into ethnic groups who don't speak a common language. And if I had the chance, I'd tell Professor Cordova that to his face.
95 posted on 07/09/2002 12:38:04 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: Doctor Stochastic
"But if it is also a mark of non-standard English at some Northern Universities." Reminds me of the beer commercial set in Joisey where all the patrons come in and say "howyoudoin?" A guy from the South walks in thinking they really want to know how he's doing, and tells them "Aam doin' fan . . . "
96 posted on 07/09/2002 12:40:34 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: Doctor Stochastic
To: Tancredo Fan

People like Brock have been irritating for years. The Conservative attempt to run off Hispanics (and other minorities) seems to be quite successful.

The Liberal attempt to pander hasn't been so successful though. It's easier to insult than to pander.

40 posted on 7/9/02 11:11 AM Pacific by Doctor Stochastic
 

I don't know about other people, but I get sick and tired of reading or hearing this slop.  It's about as dishonest as it gets when addressing the problems of immigrants.

First of all, who's trying to drive off anyone who comes here legally, supports themselves, tries to learn the language and keeps their surroundings in a clean and pleasant condition?

As a United States citizen I should have some say in what happens to my nation.  If immigrants cannot support themselves, what happens to my community as they move in, in vast numbers?  If one family cannot support themselves, what's the end result?  The answer is that more than one family will wind up occupying a single family dwelling.  The property will degrade.  Soon you have a depressed area.  This is the "seeding" of regions of poverty into our nation.  What is the benefit of that?

These folks obtain government services.  They cannot and do not buy automobile insurance.  They do not pay for their children's schooling.  Not only are the vast majority of them here illegaly, but they refuse to learn the language, refuse to learn or adopt our customs, refuse to respect or even display our flag.  Why do you not see this as a problem that needs to be addressed?

Now despite this, people such as yourself come here to state that conservatives attempt to run off hispanics and other minorities.  What do you base that on?  Who of us have tried to drive away any lawful citizens?  Please give examples.

The fact is you are too shallow to address real world problems.  So instead of learning about the issues and addressing the problems that do exist, you slander those who are trying to raise awareness about them.  Not only are you content to remain an ignorant fool, you demand that those who are well versed with the problems shut up, so everyone else can remain one as well on this topic.

Nice work, if you can find it...

97 posted on 07/09/2002 12:40:35 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: Doctor Stochastic
It's not your business what language they speak at home.

You're right; the language people speak in their homes is their business. However, if immigrants want jobs and want to do business in America, I don't think it's too much to ask that they learn to speak English. It's a small price to pay for reaping the fruits of this country.

98 posted on 07/09/2002 12:43:28 PM PDT by Schatze
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To: Steve_Seattle
And if I had the chance, I'd tell Professor Cordova that to his face.

Cordova isn't really a 'professor'. He's a Chicano Studies 'professor'. Many of these 'professors' are staunch supporters of anti-American gangs like MEChA.

99 posted on 07/09/2002 12:44:32 PM PDT by Tancredo Fan
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To: alex
"self-appointed community leaders are scared to death they will have no one to represent"

You hit the nail on the head, and it is the same with groups like the NAACP. They have a self-interest in their people remaining balkanized and helpless. If blacks or Hispanics prosper and integrate into society, there will be no need for organizations like the NAACP or for the self-appointed community leaders. So these "leaders" do their best to maintain the impression that - despite all appearances and despite reality - the plight of their people is becoming worse and that it is all the fault of racism.
100 posted on 07/09/2002 12:44:40 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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