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Fury as academics are sacked for being Israeli
The Telegraph (UK) ^ | 07/07/2002 | Charlotte Edwardes

Posted on 07/06/2002 6:42:41 PM PDT by dighton

A British academic has sparked worldwide protests after sacking two scholars from her highly respected international journals because they are Israeli.

Mona Baker, a professor at the University of Manchester Institute of Science and Technology (UMIST), admitted yesterday that she had dismissed Dr Miriam Shlesinger and Prof Gideon Toury because of their nationality.

Despite a storm of complaints raised by her action, Prof Baker stood by her decision, telling The Telegraph: “I deplore the Israeli state. Miriam knew that was how I felt and that they would have to go because of the current situation.”

Prof Baker asked Dr Shlesinger and Prof Toury to resign from the boards of two academic journals she owns, after signing a website petition last month calling for academics to boycott Israel. When they refused to resign she sacked them.

The dismissals raised no public opposition from within British universities. International academics, however, led by Prof Stephen Greenblatt, a world-renowned Shakespeare scholar at Harvard University, have now condemned the decision and called on British academics to stand up for intellectual freedom.

Prof Greenblatt, who flew to England last night to collect an honorary degree from London University, said that Prof Baker’s actions were “repellent”, “dangerous” and “intellectually and morally bankrupt”.

He described any policy of singling out a group for collective punishment as “grotesque”. He added: “Excluding scholars because of the passports that they carry or because of their skin colour, religion or political party, corrupts the integrity of intellectual work.”

Both of the sacked scholars had worked for the periodicals for three years. Dr Shlesinger, who enjoyed a friendship with Prof Baker and was even a guest at her house in Manchester, worked for the editorial board of The Translator. Prof Toury, who teaches at Tel Aviv University, held an honorary advisory role at Translation Studies Abstracts.

Dr Shlesinger, a respected American-born academic at the Bar-Ilan University near Tel Aviv, is also a former chairman of Amnesty International in Israel and has criticised her country’s policies in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip.

Prof Baker, who is the director of the centre for translation and intercultural studies at UMIST, was unrepentant, however. Although the boards of the journals remained split over the dismissals, Prof Baker said: “I am not against Israeli nationals per se; it is Israeli institutions as part of the Israeli state which I absolutely deplore.

She said that her actions were “my interpretation of what a boycott of Israel means”. Prof Baker added: “Many people in Europe have signed a boycott against Israel. Israel has gone beyond just war crimes.

It is horrific what is going on there. Many of us would like to talk about it as some kind of Holocaust which the world will eventually wake up to, much too late, of course, as they did with the last one.”

She conceded, however, that the pair would not have been sacked had they lived in Britain and severed their ties with Israeli institutions.

The petition that Prof Baker signed claims that Israel should be boycotted because it is “racist.” Prof Baker, who refused to disclose where she was born, claimed that her actions were supported by a growing number of academics across Britain and in Germany. She alleged that since the sackings she had been the victim of a hate campaign.

“My husband and I receive hate mail every day, up to 50 [letters] a day, some of it extremely obscene,” she said. “I can’t read it out it is so obscene and very threatening. It is also sent to my university, to my vice-chancellor and to some of my colleagues, and they threaten people who want to stay on the board. The Americans are the worst offenders.

“There is a large intimidation machine out there which is waiting to intimidate anyone that it doesn’t approve of.”

In an open letter to Prof Baker, however, Prof Greenblatt, the president of the Modern Language Association of America, described the “chilling shadow” cast by her actions. “An attack on cultural co-operation, with a particular group singled out for collective punishment violates the essential spirit of scholarly freedom and the pursuit of truth,” he wrote.

“The pursuit of knowledge does not suddenly come to a halt at national borders. This does not mean that serious scholars must be indifferent to the world’s murderous struggles, but it does mean that they are committed to an ongoing, frank conversation . . . [that] often includes passionate disagreement.”

The letter is understood to have the backing of other senior academics at Harvard. Following calls from The Telegraph, a number of leading academics in Britain lent their voice to Prof Greenblatt’s condemnation.

Francis Robinson, a professor of history at London University, said: “Whatever anyone feels about Israel, this is absolutely appalling. Certainly there are strong feelings, not often spoken but nevertheless strongly felt, shared by the majority of British liberal intellectuals about the problems with Israel. Nonetheless, this sounds dreadful. It runs counter to the very principles of academic freedom.”

Prof Greenblatt’s intervention was welcomed by Lord Janner, the chairman of the Holocaust Educational Trust. He said that the sackings set a worrying precedent: “This is disgraceful and dangerous. You should no more sack an Israeli academic for his nationality than you should a Palestinian in the same situation.

“I do not buy this argument that, just because there are more fee-paying Arab students at UMIST and elsewhere, their views should prevail. In every university in the UK today there are problems between the two groups. They must try to insulate themselves from what is happening in the Middle East or else you are going to get the most terrible conflicts seeping into our university campuses.”

Prof John Garside, the vice-chancellor of UMIST, distanced himself from the debate. Even though Prof Baker uses UMIST’s logo in her promotional material for the journals, he said: “The position of UMIST is that the two journals Prof Baker is involved with have nothing to do with UMIST.

“These are activities that she is involved with in her own time. What happens on those journals and the editorial policy on those journals are entirely a matter for those journals. It’s an issue that we are dealing with internally and not something I want to make any public statement about at this stage.”

A spokesman for the Israeli embassy said: “We think the Palestinian cause is not helped in any way by people trying to shut down those who communicate across boundaries through dialogue and the exchange of ideas. It’s the rejection of the legitimacy of the state of Israel itself which lies at the core of the Israeli-Arab conflict.”

• Additional reporting by Tony Freinberg and James Pope

© Copyright of Telegraph Group Limited 2002.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Front Page News; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: academia; academialist; antisemitism; hate; intellectualfreedom; israel; racism; uk; unitedkingdom
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To: swarthyguy; Shermy
"two translations of the same text are never the same."

That's why some are considered better than others; sometimes the word 'definitive' is attached to certain translations.

Substitute *translations* for *texts* in deconstruction-speak. This is what she is up to. She has parlayed being a translator into being a noisy political activist. This is her claim to fame that makes her big shot in the academy.

I  skimmed some of her babble but I think she takes this a few steps further. Where all translations are valid. The ones done by oppressed and struggling 3rd world pipples are even more valid. Part of the deconstructionist "discourse" where "texts" are eliminated from curriculums when they are written by oppressive white males. Can't say I understand it all but it's amusing and dangerous.

 

101 posted on 07/07/2002 4:44:31 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: WaterDragon
In this particular case, the issue is Leftists with knives out for Jewish Leftists. Key is Leftist, not Jewish, though the excuse for the issue purportedly is Israel.

How true. And to think these leeches collect salaries from taxpayers for this bulls**t. They all seem to be in universities and other publicly funded institutions.

102 posted on 07/07/2002 4:47:45 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: dennisw
Substitute *translations* for *texts* in deconstruction-speak

A female LarryLied.
Nuke Manchester.

103 posted on 07/07/2002 4:49:09 AM PDT by Cachelot
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To: livius; monkeyshine; ipaq2000; Lent; veronica; Sabramerican; beowolf; Nachum; BenF; angelo; ...
Your post #96........

Thanks for the great peak inside the world of translators and Mono Baker. Helps to understand Mono and what she's up to. I never knew it was so politicized ...meaning took a strong (MLA style) left turn!
104 posted on 07/07/2002 4:53:47 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: Cachelot
Nuke Manchester.

The barnyard they call a university needs a good cleaning out. Plenty of manure to shovel out.

105 posted on 07/07/2002 4:57:27 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: Dan Day
Now I understand too how a nazi Germany can happen. I'm afraid it will happen again in a modern form with different characters. The masses are easy to brainwash. I've been seeing this for months and it's very alarming. Now I understand how it happened in Germany.
106 posted on 07/07/2002 4:59:46 AM PDT by DBtoo
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To: dennisw
Personal email
MonaBaker@compuserve.com
107 posted on 07/07/2002 5:01:00 AM PDT by Blackyce
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To: DBtoo
Good morning! All that Alaska sunshine making you get up early?
108 posted on 07/07/2002 5:02:29 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: Blackyce
Thanks much for the research. Communication is always a good thing.
109 posted on 07/07/2002 5:04:21 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: dennisw
If there are Jews involved then you are always ready to supply some extra drama and off-topic commentary.

It is the most remarkable thing. Threads dealing with Israel almost always mention Jews. Go figure.

I see you did a little research after the gratuitous comment above and tumbled to where these academics are politically. Wasn't such an "off-topic commentary" I made after all was it?

Nobody else noticed it. Everyone was cheering a marxist from Harvard and a peacenik from Israel on.

What would you do without me?

110 posted on 07/07/2002 5:05:46 AM PDT by LarryLied
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To: Shermy
This, in leftist talk, means criticism of one of their views. Reveals how they feel speech is a political tool, rather than a right or virtue.

That is an excellent point and one I had never considered before.

111 posted on 07/07/2002 5:08:52 AM PDT by Skooz
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To: LarryLied
What would you do without me?
______________________________ _______________

I of course would reply "What would you do without da joooooos to scrutinize? Without Israel to examine?" But it's still early so I won't.
112 posted on 07/07/2002 5:10:11 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: dennisw
An Egyptian, huh? I seem to recall another Egyptian in the news recently. Just a coincidence I'm sure. < /sarcasm>
113 posted on 07/07/2002 5:16:19 AM PDT by Aquinasfan
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To: LarryLied
It is the most remarkable thing. Threads dealing with Israel almost always mention Jews.

No, that is not the most remarkable thing. The most remarkable thing is that threads not dealing with Israel or Jews in any way whatsoever will often suffer a visitation from Mr. Lied, who will introduce his obsession in no uncertain fashion. Do you want me to post a few links by way of demonstration?

Actually, I think you'd be able to expose a Jewish plot in everything, from the production of raisins to the way an errant seagull shat upon your car.

Go figure.

I did. I figure you're a compulsive loon with a membership in the American Nazi Party.

What would you do without me?

Put the roach spray away?

114 posted on 07/07/2002 5:17:24 AM PDT by Cachelot
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To: dennisw
Well....actually I am staying up a bit late! Sometimes on Sat. night I stay up late on FR, then I sleep for a few hours, and then back to my normal routine on Sun. night. I feel like I've just got caught red-handed!!

This is a very interesting thread. It is sad that people who are in charge of translating languages would use it for political purposes. What a shame. Too bad that woman can't be fired. The universities are run by liberals who want to force people to think the way they do. It becomes very frustrating for the professors who want the students to really learn and think for themselves.

I thought I was the only one around as it's usually slow at this time. It's nice to know there are others about.

115 posted on 07/07/2002 5:22:04 AM PDT by DBtoo
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To: dennisw
Notice her necklace...

The crescent and star in Islam comes from the Arabs (although the Turks also claim it) and their geography. The "Fertile Crescent" includes modern day Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Palestine and Egypt. If you look at a map, these countries form a crescent shape the opposite of the Turkish Flag's crescent. The star comes from Cyprus, the Island near Syria and Lebanon. Some also say that pagan Turks brought the symbol into the Ummayed Empire when they were conscripted as soldiers.
Moustafa, 11 April 2001

FOTW Islam

116 posted on 07/07/2002 5:22:33 AM PDT by Jeremiah Jr
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To: dennisw
One thing the world does not suffer from is a shortage of socialists. First three and a half years on here it was the teacher's unions, Communist China and Clinton. Now Israel is in the news. Despite what you may think, I didn't start the recent Intifada. Even now I had to look it up to spell it.

My choice would be to read and discuss America's war on terror, our troops and strategy. But a certain group of people always seems to want to bring the converstaion back to Israel.

Posted an article yesterday about a country which suffers more suicide bombings than the mideast. Nearly 250 in ten years or so. 100 people killed at a pop. Not one reply.

117 posted on 07/07/2002 5:24:18 AM PDT by LarryLied
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To: dighton
What's really interesting about this article is that one would have only half the story because her ethnic heritage is deliberately obscured by the author and the paper. Their only reference to her background is that she refused to tell them what it was. How difficult was it to figure out? dennisw must have searched all of 2 minutes before posting a picture and within 2 more minutes her bio was on FR. Print journalism is dead. It has become nothing more than a propaganda tool for whatever views the board of directors of that media hold.
118 posted on 07/07/2002 5:25:57 AM PDT by johniegrad
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To: dennisw
At the university here, one of the administrators tried to get the professors to sign off on a grant that would teach students math and science using body language! None of them would sign it.

I've been reading FR for a few years now, and I've learned a lot. You guys are really smart!

119 posted on 07/07/2002 5:32:17 AM PDT by DBtoo
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To: LarryLied
Posted an article yesterday about a country which suffers more suicide bombings than the mideast. Nearly 250 in ten years or so. 100 people killed at a pop. Not one reply.

That's a bit disingenuous. If there were six million Sri Lankans in this country your response would be different.

And you did get an index bump...

120 posted on 07/07/2002 5:34:08 AM PDT by Pharmboy
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