UDALL CALLS FOR HAYMAN IQUIRY PANEL

Rocky Mountain News ^ | June 27, 2002 | By M.E. Sprengelmeyer, News Washington Bureau

[madfly]

Udall calls for Hayman inquiry panel

Probe sought to ensure blaze won't be used to 'overlog,' build roads in forests to cut fire risk

By M.E. Sprengelmeyer, News Washington Bureau

June 27, 2002

WASHINGTON --

Rep. Mark Udall has called for a special panel to investigate the Hayman Fire so the case is not used to justify widespread logging of the nation's public forests.

In a letter to U.S. Forest Service chief Dale Bosworth, Udall said a panel including forestry experts, environmentalists and logging industry officials should use the 137,000-acre blaze six miles northwest Lake George as a case study to steer policy.

The fear is that a less diverse panel, or the Forest Service alone, might use the case to expand routine fuel-reduction programs into widespread logging, said Udall spokesman Lawrence Pacheco.

"The Hayman Fire should not be used as an excuse to overlog and build roads in the forest to reduce fire risk," Pacheco said. "There can be lessons in the Hayman Fire, where proper treatment in the red zones can reduce fire risk and create a forest condition where fires can be more manageable, less destructive."

Various lawmakers have accused environmentalists of putting up unnecessary barriers to block fuels-reduction programs in the national forests and roadless areas.

One of the most outspoken critics is Rep. Scott McInnis, R-Grand Junction, chairman of the House subcommittee on Forests and Forest Health.

Josh Penry, staff director for McInnis' committee, said Udall's idea is worth considering.

"The more science, the more information, the better," Penry said. "But the overwhelming anecdotal evidence we're hearing from the field is that in those areas (where fuels-reduction programs were in place), the fire dropped to the ground and the fire was easier to contain."

As of Wednesday, the Hayman Fire was 77 percent contained but still burning in the Pike-San Isabel National Forest near Lake George.

A portion of the fire had burned in areas that had been treated with small fuels-reduction projects. Udall said that when the crisis is over, the panel could evaluate how the fire spread through treated and untreated areas.

"Its purpose would be to focus on the future, rather than to attempt to assign blame for past events," Udall wrote.

In other fire news out of Washington on Wednesday, McInnis introduced a bill he hopes will reduce red tape to let foreign governments lend their firefighters to the efforts in the United States.

A 1988 law allows federal officials to enter agreements with foreign organizations willing to send firefighters, but some countries have balked because they worry their firefighters could be sued in the event of an accident. McInnis' bill would have foreign firefighters considered federal employees, making the government liable for lawsuits.

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[Grampa Dave]

Good Find!

So is Udall a card carrying enviral nazi poster congress boy?

It is apparent that they want zero roads, zero logging, zero preventive fire measures and zero logging to remove trees killed by their fires.

How much money has Udall received from Club Sierra and other enviral organizations who hate roads, logging and people like us visiting their Druid Cathedrals, we used to call them our forests?!

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

"Its purpose would be to focus on the future, rather than to attempt to assign blame for past events," Udall wrote.

Udall wants to put many questions off limits.

They might be too embarassing for the envirowackos!

[Jeff Head]

It is apparent that they want zero roads, zero logging, zero preventive fire measures and zero logging to remove trees killed by their fires.

Right in line with the UN's Agenda 21, Man and the Biosphere, Wild Lands, etc. Funny how that happens.

These people lining up either as useful idiots for such policies ... or doing it with a will ... are domestic enemies of all we hold dear.

[nicmarlo]

One of the most outspoken critics is Rep. Scott McInnis, R-Grand Junction, chairman of the House subcommittee on Forests and Forest Health.

Josh Penry, staff director for McInnis' committee, said Udall's idea is worth considering.

McInnis is my Congressman.....he is great, imo. Votes sensibly. I went to college with Penry, here in GJ. He's pretty conservative, so I'm a bit surprised that he thinks Udall's idea is at all valuable. The Governor of AZ is fuming at the environmentalists and obstructionists in government.....and I believe she was sincere in her condemnation, which was very strong. Mother nature would have our forests burn more frequently......so the least we can do is have controlled burning and logging......which can be a good thing if done correctly, imho.

[madfly]

That's good news. McMinnis is the chairman of the Forest & Forest Health Hearings, House Resouce Committee, to be held next Thursday, July 11th.

Gov. Hull has memories of the beauty of that part of Arizona, from teaching school on the Indian Reservation, further north, in the 1960's. Perhaps this accounts for her welcomed vocal outrage. She always looks mean, but especially pissed off at the news conference. ABOUT TIME Jane.

[Grampa Dave]

Isn't this typical of when the Rats in Congress hold meetings/inquiries:

Its purpose would be to focus on the future, rather than to attempt to assign blame for past events," Udall wrote.

Udall wants to put many questions off limits.

[Bobber58]

I am fairly certain that Udall represents a district
that includes the People's Republic of Boulder...
he couldn't be expected to say anything else, really.
Boulder, Colorado:::"53 square miles surrounded by reality..."

[nicmarlo]

I think very highly of McInnis. On every issue important to me (not that I am, by any means important, lol), he votes EXACTLY how I would want him to....I think my views are fairly representative of most conservative Republicans on most issues.....it's surprising to have a Congressman truly vote the way his electors would have him....and I do live in a conversative valley here in Grand Junction, overwhelmingly conservative in most aspects of voting and lifestyle. McInnis comes into town often, even though he has lots of area to cover for his district. He makes himself available and seen......not everyone likes him, of course, as he sometimes appears a bit egotistical....oh well.

[saminfl]

Is Mark Udall related to the late ultra-liberal Mo Udall?

[Grampa Dave]

I believe so.

Hopefully some of the conservatives in his district/state will let us know if he is related to the ultra liberal Mo Udall.

[nicmarlo]

Yep, the son of:

Udall is no stranger to the world of public service. His father, Morris "Mo" Udall, served in the U.S. House of Representatives for 30 years and ran for the Democratic nomination for President in 1976. His uncle, Stewart, is widely revered for his accomplishments while serving as Secretary of the Interior under Presidents Kennedy and Johnson.

link: http://wwwa.house.gov/markudall/bio.htm

[Grampa Dave]

Thanks for the insight to Mark Udall and his link to Boulder, city of elite lefties/enviral nazis! He has received not only votes but probably a large amount of his election funds from these Club Sierra Card Carrying Mantra Mouthing Boulder Liberals.

Is he related to the ultra lib Mo Udall?

Thanks again! People like you make Free Republic so great with your personal knowledge of these rats.

[Grampa Dave]

Thanks!

So his hatred of Americans who try to make a living logging, ranching, farming or associated with the outdoors comes from at least two generations of Rat Udalls.

He should be recused from any hearing as an active card carrying enviral. He can submit questions in writing, and that should be all. If he has any control over the hearing, GW, Cheney, Global Warming, Newt and Richard Nixon will be blamed for these fires and forest conditions that are due to the Enviral agendas.

[DLfromthedesert]

You HAVE to possess a strong ego to be able to stand up to the forces in Congress arrayed against our freedoms.

Who cares if some people don't "like" him? He's doing a superb job and I RESPECT him!!!

[nicmarlo]

Udall represents, imo, the most bizaree district in Colorado......Boulder is most like, shall we say, San Francisco? That city belongs in another country. They just passed zoning laws, not very long ago, that forbid more people living in it than bedrooms.......(let's say, a married couple can be in one room). The reason? College students, who cannot afford the extremely high rental rates there, would live together (apparently 7 or more to a house of say three bedrooms). They'd make "rooms" in living rooms, etc., by partioning it off with sheets. The cost of housing let's say, would be like $2,500 a month (not exact figure, just giving you an example). What college kid could afford that unless she/he shared with several other kids? So, now they have this new law in place. Okay, so let's say that might make sense, for safety reasons, but they just pass all kinds of laws like these there.....punishing those without money and doing nothing to help restrain living costs or putting in lower cost dwellings (I believe they only want the snobs living there, imo).

[nicmarlo]

Who cares if some people don't "like" him? He's doing a superb job and I RESPECT him!!!

No arguments here. He's doing great and I'm glad he's there, gaining seniority....which, if term limits applied, he'd be out of office, and all the other congressman/women, who'd gain seniority from their states, would be sitting as the top dog on committees. Term limits are not good, for that reason, unless ALL states have term limits.