English And Welsh Are Races Apart

BBC ^ | 6-30-2002

[Domestic Church]

"There are two streams of Celtic culture and Gaelic language peoples that converge in the British Isles."

I have a vague recollection of learning this decades ago and that the northern stream went through Austria. Do you have any good links or books? The three brothers and related info (Manx, Cymru, Alba, Scota, Galiza, and Brezh), sounds intriguing too. I'd love to find out more about this.

[LostTribe]

Nothing new here.  Every so often the BBC has another one of their "revelations".

The problem is, the Brits still can't decide on the definition of a "Celt".  If you go there to study the subject, as I have, you will be alternately amused and appalled at their "Anglo-Provincialism".  Many British scholars still think the Celts are those "smaller and darker" people who live in Cornwall and Wales.  (It turns out they are just the offspring of shipwrecked sailors from the Med area who hit the rocks off Penzance, over thousands of years.  There has long been heavy ship traffic between the regions.)

Then, hop over the little pond to Ireland and see what they have to say about Celts.  It's entirely different. To the man on the street "Celtic" means "Catholic", as in the Holy Celtic Church.  They are seen differently at the Universities too.

But it's only when you back off and take a continent size, or better a global historical view that you see who the Celts really are. Click on my FR Profile, below for their REAL history.

[keithtoo]

The northern stream definitely went thru Austia. As a matter of fact the name 'Celt' is a derivation of Salt, as these people settled for a while in Salzburg (salt-city), Austria.

[DeaconBenjamin]

You're thinking of Uff da.

[muawiyah]

When the King of Troy wrote letters to other kings in Anatolia and throughout the Middle East, he used an Eastern script but in a Gaelic language.

Such materials were found years ago in the ancient library at Ebla. The area was known to be a Celtic kingdom anyway. The core area was along the Danube on the West Coast of the Black Sea.

I thought everybody knew Troy was an Irish-thing!

[LostTribe]

>The Celts apparently originated in Central Europe and moved both southeast, towards Galatia in Anatolia, and south and west, into Britain, Ireland, Gaul, Italy and Spain.

That's the standard line, especially out of Britain. Authors, even to this day copy earlier authors, who copied earlier authors, etc.

This "Central Europe" fallacy is based on the location of the very large Celtic digs at Hallstadt Austria and LeTenne Switzerland (I've spent time at both), and smaller ones in southern Germany. But it totally fails to explain where all those !@#$!$# Celts came from before then.

To get some grasp of the sheer SIZE of the Celtic community even before they appear in central Europe, please click on my Profile, below.

[Cleburne]

King of the who?

[Torie]

To add to the mix, northern England had a lot of Viking raiders prior to the Norman invasion. Until recent times, folks along the rivers on which the Vikings traversed had a look distinct from the hill folks. Or so I have been told.

[Savage Beast]

But IQ tests are culturally biased. AND--some of the dumbest people you'll meet score high on IQ tests. The best IQ test is happiness.

[dr_who]

That's right. They're thinking, is he one of us or do we need to take him up to the local stone circle and sacrafice him to the god Cccllleaachhaaachhfffhhh?

[Ditter]

I haven't read Winston Churchills books but just from looking in the mirror I have decided, I too, am a longheaded Brit.

[DeaconBenjamin]

But are you hand Pict (for a chilepepper)?

[dr_who]

Funky. I thought little was know about the kingdom of Troy apart from the Illiad legend.

[muawiyah]

Austria is more or less at the Western end of the Danube. Troy is just across the sea from the Danube estuary on the Black Sea.

The Danube is the link.

I recommend that you simply go to google.com and type in Brezh. That will pop up about a million "Celtic Ring" website. Start reading.

[dr_who]

Interesting. My family name is Lankford. Some think it sounds like "long fyord", but I'm more partial to "long ford", as in the shallow part of a stream, fit for crossing.

[LostTribe]

>Offa? I thought he was a viking!

No, that was Uff-Da. -ggg-

[syriacus]

What an interesting thread this is!!!

[keithtoo]

Hey Muawiyah. Does Brezh have ANY connection with a schmuck named Brezhnev? There has got to be a link there somewhere.

[dr_who]

"The Britons!"

"Who are the Britons?"

"We all are! And I am your king!"

"I didn't know we had a king. I thought we were an autonomous collective."

[keithtoo]

It all comes back to Monty Python! The Grand Unified Theory of FreeRepublic!