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To: _Jim; Jhoffa_
Look, I'm one of the most avid anti-police state ranter around. I took a lot of heat for my position on Padilla the traitor scumbag. I was very troubled by the fact that he had no process whatsoever. IMO he's a citizen and should have the same 5th and 6th amendment rights as we do, as unpleasant as that sounds.

We must distinguish between citizens and non-citizens however. I for one do not believe constitutional rights extend to anyone who happens to set foot in this country. Arab foreigners being told "sorry but your people have ruined it for you so you have to go home now" is not in any way violating them or robbing them of any rights. They would just have to go back home. Screw their feelings.

If it were citizens being rounded up that would be different. Allowing Islamist Arab males to wander amongst us with is comparable to allowing Nazi sypathizing Germans to do the same during WWII. It's foolish and dangerous.

If we got rid of these people and sealed or borders NOW, we could go back to normal (as opposed to the "new normal") and end this craziness. It really is that simple.

Their "right" to be here is nonsense, they have no right to be here ...they're guests. If sending thousands of them home will save one innocent American woman or child we should do it now.

118 posted on 07/04/2002 3:50:30 PM PDT by AAABEST
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To: AAABEST
I support deporting illegals on principle..

But those who are citizens or who followed the rules and their papers are pending.. I wouldn't harm them in the course of some kind of misguided rush for "safety"

Because we all know fedgov can't make us safe. We already know that, it's obvious..

Now, take away our right's as citizens? THAT THEY CAN DO..

132 posted on 07/04/2002 4:08:57 PM PDT by Jhoffa_
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To: AAABEST
PS: And imo you're right on padilla too.

If he's a scumbag then it shouldn't be hard to make a case against him. And if it IS hard to make a case against him, then maybe he's not a scumbag?

I mean, things would surely be so much simpler if we treated our citizens like Castro or Saddam. But we don't.

And if he's guilty then charge, convict and kill the sob. Save the tribunals and such for traitors like Johnny tally-ban (who definately gave up his right's) and that moron from France.

136 posted on 07/04/2002 4:16:10 PM PDT by Jhoffa_
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