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RAZORMOUTH: Under God, Under Man -- What's so great about the Pledge of Allegiance anyway?
RAZORMOUTH.com ^ | June 29, 2002 | Jim Babka

Posted on 07/03/2002 7:42:01 PM PDT by OrthodoxPresbyterian

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To: nunya bidness
Where the link at, btw?
61 posted on 07/03/2002 11:08:55 PM PDT by truth_session
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To: poolplayer
Exactly. The religion of government is becoming liberalism.
62 posted on 07/03/2002 11:10:09 PM PDT by truth_session
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
How would it be gone? School taxes in most states are tied to property taxes. You get one of each, once a year. Will dropping out of Public School cause School taxes to go down?I hope.

Most parents are trapped in public school, can't afford private, and can't stay at home and Home School. It's such a trap. I love the idea of vouchers, if it comes to my area I will avail my family of it's benefits right away.

63 posted on 07/03/2002 11:11:14 PM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: L.N. Smithee
We the ones gettin robbed, not the athiests.
64 posted on 07/03/2002 11:11:18 PM PDT by truth_session
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To: L.N. Smithee; Demidog; nunya bidness
Posted by L.N. Smithee to OrthodoxPresbyterian On News/Activism Jul 3 10:41 PM #51 of 62 What Christian is stealing money from an atheist?

Every single Christian who casts any Votes for the Politicians who favor the continuation of Public Education is advocating God-Mocking Theft.

Respectfully, I never have. And I won't.

I admit that I have voted for "Gun Rights" Republicans to Federal Office, but at the State-Level (where Education is Controlled) I will not vote for Government Educationists. I'll vote Libertarian if I have to, I'll vote Constitution if I have to, I will Write-in if I have to. I will not vote for Government Educationists. EVER.

That would be Theft. It is an Abomination against Christ.

65 posted on 07/03/2002 11:17:55 PM PDT by OrthodoxPresbyterian
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To: MissAmericanPie; Demidog; nunya bidness
How would it be gone? School taxes in most states are tied to property taxes. You get one of each, once a year. Will dropping out of Public School cause School taxes to go down?I hope. Most parents are trapped in public school, can't afford private, and can't stay at home and Home School. It's such a trap. I love the idea of vouchers, if it comes to my area I will avail my family of it's benefits right away.

If you believe that your Vote CANNOT change anything, then why in the name of God aren't you a Revolutionist? We must obey God rather than Men. (Acts 5:29)

If you still believe that your vote CAN change something, why would you advocate anything except the abolition of Publik Skools?

Publik Skools are founded upon THEFT. If you and your 99 neighbors vote even ONE family to pay Taxes to support a Publik Skool which they do not support, that is THEFT. That is a violation of the Eighth Commandment of God.

So -- Revolutionist, or Abolitionist. The Choice is yours. Christianity was founded upon Treason against the God-State. You cannot support any aspect of Publik Skooling, ever, at all. It is THEFT. It is a violation of the Ten Commandments, a form of God-Hatred, and IS NOT CHRISTIAN.

The very idea of Publik Skooling is fundamentally Anti-Christian. Not merely in it "current form"; it is Anti-Christian in principle.

66 posted on 07/03/2002 11:29:46 PM PDT by OrthodoxPresbyterian
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To: truth_session
Lies, Inc.: The Pledge Exposes The Failure of Government Schools
67 posted on 07/03/2002 11:31:28 PM PDT by nunya bidness
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To: poolplayer; Demidog
Christianity is not a religion. It is a relationship.

No. Christianity is a RELIGION. The only "pure and undefiled" RELIGION. So says Infallible Scripture.

So... Offer a REAL argument, not a worthless twentieth-century Unscriptural Sound-Bite dreamed up by lousy and stupid apostate preachers.

68 posted on 07/03/2002 11:36:48 PM PDT by OrthodoxPresbyterian
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
If it's "theft," what is being taken, and from whom is it being taken?
69 posted on 07/04/2002 12:26:21 AM PDT by L.N. Smithee
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To: truth_session; Demidog; nunya bidness
The government schools are your local government. But I'm not the one "stealing." The people of the state have all agreed to "tithe" to the religion of public education. But I as a law-abiding citizen choose to live in a state in America. You don't have to live in America if you don't want.

Yeah, "Sieg Heil". Or perhaps your prefer, "Comrade"?? Either way, it's still "Our Country, Right or Wrong".

Bollocks on that. If I agree with my fellow Voters to "tithe" your money to the Church of Satan... must you Submit, oh Christian?

No. We must obey God rather than Men. (Acts 5:29) Your fellows CANNOT righteously vote to "tithe" your money for Satan, and you CANNOT righteously vote to "tithe" their money for Publik Skooling.

Either vote would be a form of THEFT, which honors Satan.

The only CHRISTIAN Vote is to abolish Publik Skooling, to NOT steal your Neighbor's money, to keep your children to yourself and educate them under God.

That is the ONLY Christian Vote. It is the only Righteous Vote "Under God", since you care so much about those words.

I can't help the fact that at any moment my money is going to do the work of the devil.

Then Vote Abolition.

Or Advocate Revolution.

For God's sake, don't advocate the Theft called "Publik Skooling", and thereby Violate God's Law and give your praise to Satan.

In fact, no place exists on the planet that can guarantee God's work will always be furthered.

"no place exists on the planet that can guarantee God's work will always be furthered" -- You're a bloody defeatist. My Church is founded on the conviction that you are wrong.

Abolition would be nice, but will only happen when a state full of people decide to move in next to each other. That's not going to happen. So school choice is the best alternative.

THEFT IS NOT A CHRISTIAN "ALTERNATIVE".
If you think it is, you ain't Christian.

The Christian Ethic is to Vote for that which is Right. Period. Always. take up your Cross.

Vote to Abolish Theft. Not to commit "some theft" or "less theft"; Christians vote to Abolish Theft.

Vote to Abolish Theft.
Vote to Abolish Theft.
Vote to Abolish Theft.

Either Take up your political Cross, or Admit you are a Pagan. Makes no bones of difference to me.

But don't claim Jesus' Name in Vain.

You are paying your taxes, btw?

Yeah, okay, right... and on at least one occasion, I have handed over my wallet with a 9mm semi-automatic against my skull, too. Guess what -- I didn't appreciate that very much either, and I didn't think that they were my "Romans 13 Governing Authorities" just 'cause they had a pistol to my head.

Sorta like I pay the IRS.

So, What's yer point?

70 posted on 07/04/2002 12:31:30 AM PDT by OrthodoxPresbyterian
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To: L.N. Smithee; Demidog; nunya bidness; A.J.Armitage
If it's "theft," what is being taken, and from whom is it being taken? 69 posted on 7/4/02 12:26 AM Pacific by L.N. Smithee

Property, Sales, and Income Taxes, taken from Christians who do not approve and do not utilize Communist Schools.

Theft.

Any questions?

71 posted on 07/04/2002 12:33:37 AM PDT by OrthodoxPresbyterian
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To: truth_session
If America is so Christian, than it's the "will of the people" to have Christianity taught in the public schools. So why fight the will of the people?

America isn't Christian. Some Americans are Christian. Some aren't.

People should be free to keep their hard-earned money so they can purchase exactly the kind of education they want for their children -- one with prayer or one without prayer. One with sex education or one without sex education. One with creationism or one without creationism. The choice belongs to parents, not politicians.

72 posted on 07/04/2002 1:10:14 AM PDT by Alan Chapman
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To: truth_session
We do have the right under the Constitution to pray and speak of God in the public schools...

Government schools are not private property. If you allow government to control something then whoever possesses the most political power gets to make the rules.

That is why it is so important to get government out of the education business. Today the school administrators may hold values consistent with your own. But, tomorrow they might not. Today they might want prayer. But, tomorrow they might want "alternative" lifestyles.

With a private school you'd at least know what you're getting and if the private school couldn't give you want you want you'd have the choice to take your business somewhere else. Not the case with government school.

73 posted on 07/04/2002 1:17:37 AM PDT by Alan Chapman
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
Wasn't the pledge by written by Northerners and directed against residents of Southern states after the the War of Northern Aggression?
74 posted on 07/04/2002 1:20:20 AM PDT by Doe Eyes
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To: truth_session
Nobody is stealing anyone's money.
If taxation without consent is not robbery, then any band of robbers have only to declare themselves a government, and all their robberies are legalized. -- Lysander Spooner

Maybe you should just say that state-funded public schools are unconstitutional, which they are not.

In fact, they are. There is no mention of education in Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution.

Or maybe you should just say that school vouchers and school choice is the only honest way to deal with public education.

The only honest way to deal with government school is to abolish it.

...we all agree to live under the law of the land and pay taxes to the public toilet, nobody is stealing anyone's money.

If we all agree to pay taxes then how come people go to jail when they don't pay?

75 posted on 07/04/2002 1:21:48 AM PDT by Alan Chapman
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To: truth_session
Nobody is forced to say the pledge.

False.

Court considers student discipline for not saying pledge.

76 posted on 07/04/2002 1:24:09 AM PDT by Alan Chapman
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
Property, Sales, and Income Taxes, taken from Christians who do not approve and do not utilize Communist Schools. Theft. Any questions?

Just one.

Can you tell me what Jesus Christ himself said about paying taxes?

77 posted on 07/04/2002 1:27:44 AM PDT by L.N. Smithee
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To: L.N. Smithee; Demidog; nunya bidness
Just one. Can you tell me what Jesus Christ himself said about paying taxes?

Amen and Amen.

Render unto Caesar THAT WHICH IS HIS. Not a dime more, brother.

You gotta a definition of That which is Caesar's?

'Cause you bet I do. Everything from Leviticus to Romans. Every word.

Have YOU Studied the Scriptures to determine, ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE, "that which is Caesar's"?

Cause I have, brother.

The Scripture is our Sole Rule of Faith and Practice, bro.

If you render one dime to Caesar beyond that which Scripture specifically defines as his, you are DEFYING Jesus' Command, you are telling the Apostle Paul to go piss up a rope, and you are breaking God's Law and committing the Idolatry of State.

Render unto Caesar that which is his.

Check your premises, brother.

Everything you think you know...
...is Wrong.

78 posted on 07/04/2002 1:45:23 AM PDT by OrthodoxPresbyterian
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To: Alan Chapman
False.

True.

If you read the article carefully, you would understand that the kid's punishment -- paddling a high schooler, for heaven's sake -- was a result of his standing with a clenched fist while others participated rather than simply refusing to recite the pledge. That action, the school says, was disruptive, resulting in the discipline.

SCOTUS ruled in 1943 that refusal to salute the flag in school is a civil right (West Virginia School Board of Education vs. Barnette). It did not suggest that any and all methods of protesting being asked to salute are protected by the First Amendment.

79 posted on 07/04/2002 1:53:46 AM PDT by L.N. Smithee
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
Render unto Caesar THAT WHICH IS HIS. Not a dime more, brother. You gotta a definition of That which is Caesar's? 'Cause you bet I do.

Your definition doesn't interest me. What did Jesus say?

80 posted on 07/04/2002 1:56:55 AM PDT by L.N. Smithee
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