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Mo. Schools Must Recite Pledge
ABCNEWS ^ | July 3 | Associated Press

Posted on 07/03/2002 6:05:31 PM PDT by mdittmar

The Pledge of Allegiance must be recited every week in Missouri's public schools under a bill signed into law Wednesday, a week after a panel of federal judges ruled the pledge unconstitutional.

State lawmakers had passed the bill before the ruling was issued, and Gov. Bob Holden said it didn't affect his decision to sign.

"This is a symbolic gesture that we as a state believe in the Pledge of Allegiance and its values and that we hold those values dear to our heart," Holden said. "I think that court decision will be overturned."

In their June 26 decision, three judges from the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals said the pledge phrase "one nation under God" amounted to a government endorsement of religion, violating the separation of church and state. That ruling, which applies to nine Western states and not Missouri, has been stayed until other members of the court have a chance to weigh in.

Under the Missouri law, effective Aug. 28, public schools must ensure the pledge is recited weekly in a scheduled class of every student, but students cannot be required to participate.

Holden brushed aside suggestions that children who don't participate would be ostracized.

"I think the point here is that this is a way for them to all understand what it means to be an American," he said.

The bill's sponsor, Democratic Sen. Ted House, said the legislation was prompted partly by his concern that many Missouri schools were moving away from reciting the pledge.

"These are state schools, they receive public money and I think the Legislature should set the public policy of indicating that public schools will offer the Pledge of Allegiance to students," House said.

In Illinois on Wednesday, Gov. George Ryan signed into law a requirement that public high schools lead students in the pledge every day. State law already mandated that elementary schools set aside time for the pledge. Neither law requires that students participate in the pledge or punishes them if they refuse.


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....children who don't participate would be ostracized.

OMG,the horror,some children in school may be ostracized!

That's gotta be a first.

Slowly but surely,"the times they are a chang'en"

1 posted on 07/03/2002 6:05:31 PM PDT by mdittmar
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To: mdittmar
Anyone hear commie lawyer scuzzes licking their chops yet? Well, maybe not in Missouri.
2 posted on 07/03/2002 6:09:03 PM PDT by demkicker
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To: demkicker
"Mo. Schools Must Recite Pledge"

Way to go, ABCNEWS, with inflammatory, untrue, headlines. Nowhere in the article does it say the students MUST recite the Pledge!!
3 posted on 07/03/2002 6:22:14 PM PDT by Chu Gary
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To: Chu Gary
AP story from ABC.
4 posted on 07/03/2002 6:25:44 PM PDT by mdittmar
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To: mdittmar
I believe that exactly what the Pledge means should be taught and discussed. Comparisons to other countries around the world should be mentioned, bringing out the fact that these kids are among the luckiest people in the world to be in the US!

The Pledge should be recited every day, but once a week is better than never.

Mark
5 posted on 07/03/2002 6:27:14 PM PDT by MarkL
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To: mdittmar
"...and those who chose to recite that pledge will probably become mutated and start falling over dead in droves..." , one young socialist lesbian reporter from a prominent Los Angeles paper reported.

->T.I.C., but who knows for how long?<-
6 posted on 07/03/2002 6:27:35 PM PDT by Vidalia
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Here's what we do in Wisconsin:

"Every public school is now required to offer the pledge of allegiance or the national anthem in grades one to 12 each school day, according to a change in state law included in 2001 Wisconsin Act 16 (the budget bill) that became effective 9/1/01. The law previously required every public school to offer the pledge of allegiance in grades one to eight at the beginning of school at least one day per week.

No student may be compelled against the student's objections or those of the student's parent(s)/guardian to recite the pledge or to sing the anthem."

7 posted on 07/03/2002 6:28:48 PM PDT by MozartLover
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To: mdittmar
Seig Heil, y'all.
8 posted on 07/03/2002 6:33:50 PM PDT by rustbucket
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Seig Heil, y'all.

A Southern Nazi?,whatever floats your boat:)

9 posted on 07/03/2002 6:38:14 PM PDT by mdittmar
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To: MarkL
The Pledge should be recited every day, but once a week is better than never.

Why? I don't believe that reciting the pledge actually accomplishes anything, except getting people riled up on both sides.

Compulsory patriotism is the best way for kids to grow up NOT loving their county. Teaching them to appreciate the vision of the Founders is better than reciting any pledge.

10 posted on 07/03/2002 6:40:57 PM PDT by Eagle Eye
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To: MozartLover
Works for me.
11 posted on 07/03/2002 6:41:00 PM PDT by mdittmar
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To: mdittmar
Yes! Finally! Let's let liberals yank THEIR kids out to homeschool them, and maybe then they'll understand the drive for school choice
12 posted on 07/03/2002 6:50:10 PM PDT by Persuasion
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To: Eagle Eye
Teaching them to appreciate the vision of the Founders is better than reciting any pledge.

In public schools nowdays????

13 posted on 07/03/2002 7:00:30 PM PDT by mdittmar
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To: MozartLover
No student may be compelled against the student's objections or those of the student's parent(s)/guardian to recite the pledge or to sing the anthem

No, but under the current wording of the pledge the student is forced to profess their belief to a public school official or fellow students. No one should have to do that.

My 'Seig Heil' above was too harsh, and I apologize, but that was what immediately came to mind when I envisioned a legislature requiring that schools ask students to pledge or sing.

I feel as patriotic as the next person and am happy to pledge my allegiance to this country, but I don't want the legislature mandating that public school children do it.

14 posted on 07/03/2002 7:08:22 PM PDT by rustbucket
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and I apologize, but

Never ruin an apology with an excuse.

I read that somewhere.

We're all on the same team,I hope.

15 posted on 07/03/2002 7:25:35 PM PDT by mdittmar
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To: rustbucket
No student may be compelled against the student's objections or those of the student's parent(s)/guardian to recite the pledge or to sing the anthem

No, but under the current wording of the pledge the student is forced to profess their belief to a public school official or fellow students. No one should have to do that.

Follow closely: "No student may be compelled..." The only people that "have to do" something are the teachers. Should a student not wish to participate, they can stand in respectful silence until the Pledge is over. No harm, no foul. I don't see how this "forces" them to profess belief in or against anything. Should anyone ask, they can simply say: "I don't wish to participate." End of conversation.

16 posted on 07/03/2002 7:41:26 PM PDT by RANDomScout
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Oh now,now now. Let's not be logical about what students should be taught! Tsk tsk. We wouldn't want students to actually KNOW and BELIEVE that they are the luckiest people in the world! That might be considered elitism. Or jingo-istic. The very THOUGHT that pride and thankfulness for this incredible country in which they reside....perhaps COULD be instilled in our youth suggests that YOU might need additional re-programming.

BTW........I agree with you 100%!
17 posted on 07/03/2002 7:49:00 PM PDT by justshe
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To: Eagle Eye
Why not both?

When I was a child, I recited the Pledge daily. Although, at that time, I might not have known the exact meaning of the words, I DID know that this was something special. And because I recited the Pledge daily, my understanding of the words grew WITH me. As I got older, the actual meaning of what I had said, daily, for all those years, became precious.

I think that your statment, "Compulsory patriotism is the best way for kids to grow up NOT loving their county," could not be further from the truth, at least for me. I would bet that many others think the same.

That is NOT to say that teaching the visions of The Founders should NOT be done as well. But I see the necessity of both.
18 posted on 07/03/2002 7:57:33 PM PDT by justshe
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To: Eagle Eye
"Why? I don't believe that reciting the pledge actually accomplishes anything, except getting people riled up on both sides."

How very odd, I grew up saying the pledge every day in elementary school, this was in the 60's and nobody ever got "riled up"....imagine that.....in the 1960's!

Missouri's gov. just signed a bill today that allows the pledge to be said in schools once a week,.....it's a good start.....

19 posted on 07/03/2002 8:04:51 PM PDT by A Citizen Reporter
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To: RANDomScout
Yes, I understand "no student shall be compelled". Believe me, I do. My question is why should the student be put in the position of having to say the pledge or not in the first place? No one should be put in that position, particularly a young person who wants more than anything to be accepted by peers.

If the student opts out or does not believe what the other students do, he/she does face ostracism and possible poor treatment from teachers. I know because I've seen it happen. Perhaps things have improved since I went to school, but human nature being what it is, I suspect not.
20 posted on 07/03/2002 8:06:11 PM PDT by rustbucket
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