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Mo. Schools Must Recite Pledge
ABCNEWS ^ | July 3 | Associated Press

Posted on 07/03/2002 6:05:31 PM PDT by mdittmar

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To: mdittmar
Cool. This will earn Holden one brownie point. Seriously. But sadly, Missouri's taxes have gone up while we've been driven into insolvency. I hope we get a Republican governor again soon.
21 posted on 07/03/2002 8:40:14 PM PDT by lutheran
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To: lutheran
One good point for Bob Holdn' my money

Probably the only good thing he has done in office so far
22 posted on 07/03/2002 9:00:06 PM PDT by trevorjohnson
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23 posted on 07/03/2002 9:08:17 PM PDT by admiralsn
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To: Chu Gary
Way to go, ABCNEWS, with inflammatory, untrue, headlines. Nowhere in the article does it say the students MUST recite the Pledge!!

No, the article doesn't say that. It says that the schools must lead a recital, which reflects the headline.

Not everything published by leftist media is part of a liberal leftist conspiracy.
24 posted on 07/03/2002 11:30:21 PM PDT by Dimensio
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To: justshe
I'm confused. It's clear that you support the mandatory recital of th epledge in schools, but are you also saying that you would support requiring all students to participate?
25 posted on 07/03/2002 11:32:09 PM PDT by Dimensio
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To: Eagle Eye
The Pledge should be recited every day, but once a week is better than never.

Why? I don't believe that reciting the pledge actually accomplishes anything, except getting people riled up on both sides.

Compulsory patriotism is the best way for kids to grow up NOT loving their county. Teaching them to appreciate the vision of the Founders is better than reciting any pledge.

This is the equivalent of saying that children shouldh't be compelled (by their parents) to attend religious services and classes, because that's "shoving religion down their throats." The problem with that sort of thinking is that children MUST be taught these things, and if not compelled, they will be out doing other stuff! Children can not make their own decisions about these things, since they simply don't know any better. Reciting the Pledge, along with a discussion of what makes this country better than others (i.e., why you are saying the Pledge) will instill an understanding of the responsibilities that come along with the privaliges that living in this country give us all.

Mark

26 posted on 07/04/2002 3:53:17 AM PDT by MarkL
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To: justshe
When I was a child, I recited the Pledge daily. Although, at that time, I might not have known the exact meaning of the words, I DID know that this was something special. And because I recited the Pledge daily, my understanding of the words grew WITH me. As I got older, the actual meaning of what I had said, daily, for all those years, became precious.

Me too. It couldn't have been said better. Thank you for posting.

27 posted on 07/04/2002 4:10:09 AM PDT by proudofthesouth
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To: MarkL
This is the equivalent of saying that children shouldh't be compelled (by their parents) to attend religious services and classes, because that's "shoving religion down their throats."

No it's not.

First of all, attending religious services itself is an act that requires some sort of commitment of time and energy. Along with that is the teachings of the religion's history and how to act.

Simply standing to recite the pledge in school accompished nothing. A vow or oath without an accompanying commitment is empty, just as reciting a baptismal oath is without the baptism, just as empty as the enlistment oath without the haircut, just as empty as a Boy Scout oath witout joining the Boy Scouts.

Reciting the oath doesn't require any act on the part of those reciting and there is no penalty for breaking it.

I place my oath to support and defend the Constitution on a much higher plane that the Pledge. Besides, the Pledge is a 'my country right or wrong' type of oath, and I won't do that. When the acts of my country violate the Constitution, I will support and defend the Constitution from my country, if necessary. The authors of the oath of office and enlistment must have anticipated possible conflicts or else they wouldn't have made the provision fro defending the Constitution from all enemies foreign AND DOMESTIC.

Continue pledging if you wish. But compelling anyone, especially children to recite loyalty oaths seems to fly in the face of true honor for freedom and love of country.

28 posted on 07/04/2002 6:00:45 AM PDT by Eagle Eye
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To: mdittmar
In public schools nowdays

The local high school names it's hallways after founding fathers. The cafeteria is Freedom Hall. Seniors must pass the citizenship test. The band plays a beautiful, slow version of Dixie. Our congressman led the crowd in prayer at the season's last football game last year.

Of course, schools usually reflect their communities, and this one is the most conservative congressional district in the country.

29 posted on 07/04/2002 6:06:27 AM PDT by Eagle Eye
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To: A Citizen Reporter
How very odd, I grew up saying the pledge every day in elementary school, this was in the 60's and nobody ever got "riled up"....imagine that.....in the 1960's!

Context. Today, not 40 years ago.

Propgandizing citizens was mush easier in the 60's, wasn't it?

Back then, we weren't taught that the US was complicit in the sinking of the Maine, that the US knew about the Pearl Harbor attack, that the Gulf of Tonkin incident wasn't true, that the military had conducted medical experiments on soldiers, that a single bullet could cause so much damage, etc, etc. We were more likely then to believe anything that the government told us. Even when it wasn't true.

Those that truly support the Constution and the concepts of liberty and freedom sometimes have to disapprove of of what happens under the flag of the country.

Do you realize that all around the world there are plain, ordinary people who do not understand why the US military is occupying their lands, why the CIA is messing with their government, or why the USA is bombing their countries?

We may see it in a Big Picture context, but we rarely see it in the same way that those on the ground 4000 miles away see it.

clinton was bombing aspirin factories in third world countries to distract from his troubles at home, and all those cruise missiles he sent abroad were sent while you were pledging allegience to the flag that he hid behind. Are you certain you want to pledge allegience to that?

30 posted on 07/04/2002 6:29:33 AM PDT by Eagle Eye
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To: Eagle Eye
You seemed to miss the part of my post that also states that the meaning behind the pledge, as well as what makes this country the greatest on the planet, be taught to the children. Without being taught these things (which it appears hasn't been happening over the last 30 or so years), the children will have no reason to love or respect their country, and the pledge will have no meaning...

Mark
31 posted on 07/04/2002 10:21:07 AM PDT by MarkL
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To: MarkL
I understand that point and agree.

Pledges are proclamations of commitment. I don't believe that any oath or pledge means anything unless there is some sort of accompanying action that separates those who swear the oath from those that don't. Recitations, no matter whether they are in fraternal, educatonal, military, or other organizations are mere words until there is an appropriate action.

Most of the people who recite the pledge don't give a rat's butt about adhering to the Constitution, so what good is it? What does it prove?

32 posted on 07/04/2002 10:39:53 AM PDT by Eagle Eye
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To: Dimensio
No, I would NOT require ALL students to participate. But I certainly would NOT eliminate the Pledge to accomodate the needs of a few at the expense of the many.
33 posted on 07/04/2002 5:42:35 PM PDT by justshe
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To: mdittmar
It's a non-news story. Students who wish to recite the pledge will be given the opportunity to do so. Those who don't won't be required to do so.
34 posted on 07/04/2002 5:50:10 PM PDT by ladylib
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To: ladylib
Yep,that's what it says.

Your point?

35 posted on 07/04/2002 5:54:20 PM PDT by mdittmar
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To: mdittmar
The US Supreme Court already decided on this issue. A school district would be nuts to pursue it.
36 posted on 07/04/2002 5:57:30 PM PDT by ladylib
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To: ladylib
Oh they will,believe me.
37 posted on 07/04/2002 6:33:03 PM PDT by mdittmar
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To: Eagle Eye
Most of the people who recite the pledge don't give a rat's butt about adhering to the Constitution, so what good is it? What does it prove?

Simple. You can swear your allegiance to the constitution every hour on the hour but without the values embodied in the pledge it is as worthless as the Soviet Constitution that closely mirrored our own. The pledge is not to the government it is to the Republic and for that which its stands. Your cynicism is wearing thin as are all of the anti-pledge rants.

38 posted on 07/04/2002 6:38:39 PM PDT by Texasforever
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