...under God'

Pittsburgh Tribune Review ^ | June 30, 2002 | Ferdinand F. Fernandez

[Ditto]

Editor's note: Wednesday last a three-member panel of the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, sitting in San Francisco, ruled 2-1 that inclusion of the phrase "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance is unconstitutional. Ferdinand F. Fernandez, a judge on that panel, was the lone dissenter.

[Alamo-Girl]

Thank you so much for this post!!!

[Ciexyz]

Well said. Three cheers to my local paper, the Pittsburgh Trib, for printing it.

[AtticusX]

I detest politics. I dislike most politicians.

But this past week, I was proud of our politicians.

Acting within hours of a ruling by the 9th Circuit of Appeals, the Senate voted 99-0 on a resolution demanding that God remain in the pledge and instructing the Senate's legal counsel to intervene. It is an unheard of record for speed and legislative clarity.

Late Wednesday House members gathered on the steps outside the Capitol and recited the Pledge of Allegiance in a show of support, and later approved 416-to-3 a resolution protesting the decision by the three-judge panel.

So this week, I set aside my dislike and disdain for our politicians, for they have, on this issue, risen to the task at hand. And for once, they present a united front. I salute them for their decision and the speed in which they rendered it.

Say it with me now. Say it for our country, say it with honor for our founding fathers, say it pride and respect for the thousands upon thousands of men who gave their very lives to ensure we have the right to say it; say it for our children, say it for yourself.

:::walks to front of room, sweeps hat from head, places over heart:::

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America,
and to the Republic for which it stands;
one nation, under God, indivisible,
with liberty and justice for all.

[AtticusX]

Pa-ping

[Alamo-Girl]

I agree! And thank you so much for the post!!!

[AtticusX]

No, thank you, for all the good things you bring to us here on FR. I don't say it enough, but I am correcting that today. Thank you Alamo-Girl, for all you do.

Take care, be safe.

Atticus

[Bandolier]

de minimis?

[Illbay]

...phrases such as "In God We Trust," or "under God" have no tendency to establish a religion in this country or to suppress anyone's exercise, or non-exercise, of religion, except in the fevered eye of persons who most fervently would like to drive all tincture of religion out of the public life of our polity.

This is it, in a nutshell.

Compare, if you will, the record of THIS nation with regard to religious tolerance--even tolerance of those with NO religion--to ritually-atheistic societies and governments like that of Communist China or the old Soviet Union.

Case closed.

[PROTESTBYPROXY]

I'M MAHAIWNTIA! REMEMBER 9/11! GOD BLESS AMERICA!

[Illbay]

REMEMBER THE ALAMO!!!

Uh, sorry, got a little carried away. It's a Texas thing, you understand.

[RJCogburn]

the danger that "under God" in our Pledge of Allegiance will tend to bring about a theocracy or suppress somebody's beliefs is so minuscule as to be de minimis.

True, IMHO, as is the importance of the decision itself. The importance of this decision had been markedly overstated and will make little difference in our lives or the fate of our country.

[copycat]

In West Virginia Board of Education v. Barnett (1943), for example, the Supreme Court did not say that the Pledge could not be recited in the presence of Jehovah's Witness children; it merely said that they did not have to recite it. That fully protected their constitutional rights by precluding the government from trenching upon "the sphere of intellect and spirit." As the court pointed out, their religiously based refusal "to participate in the ceremony (would) not interfere with or deny rights of others to do so."

This judge "gets it..." Precluding the government from trenching (or infringing if you wish...) upon "the sphere of intellect and spirit."

It is exactly that which political correctness attacks...the aforementioned sphere, in that it attempts to proscribe what should be believed by the intellect and felt by the spirit.

[copycat]

We should not permit complainant Michael Newdow's feel-good concept to change that balance.

Mr Newdow has been lied to. Mr Newdow has been told that the Constitution calls for "separation of church and state." It does not. This article clearly articulates THE ACTUAL WORDING of the First Amendment and illuminates the original intent.

Mr Newdow is a willing accomplice of leftists who seek to validate their own atheism in the public square.

[VOA]

'...under God'

By Ferdinand F. Fernandez

just a ping...your Upland homey is getting more bandwidth

[VOA]

Mr Newdow has been lied to. Mr Newdow has been told that the Constitution calls for
"separation of church and state."

Mr. Newdow should tune into The Coral Ridge Hour next weekend (the religion hour produced
by D. James Kennedy).
Their "current events" segment in the last 20-30 minutes of the show is suppossed
to include "The Thomas Jefferson You Don't Know".

Bet Mr. Newdow hasn't a clue what Thomas Jefferson did the Sunday after he mailed his famed
"separation of church and state" letter to the Danbury Baptists.
(Jefferson went to the church service...held in the building where the Congress met.)

[zip]

To: Ditto Thank you so much for this post!!! 2 posted on 6/30/02 9:29 AM Central by Alamo-Girl

Agree 100%. Thanks

[Ragtime Cowgirl]

Thomas Jefferson: Deist or Christian? , D. James Kennedy - WorldNetDaily.com.

A few other good articles re. faith and our nation: (^:

*** Trial and Error: The ACLU and Religious Expression
***Rediscovering Independence Day
***Immigrants for America, patriotic lyrics/pledge page....these new Americans get it!
***Religion and the Constitution, Thomas Sowell.
***One Nation Under Siege.
***Faith of our Fathers.

[PROTESTBYPROXY]

I ALMOST WROTE REMEMBER THE ALAMO TOO, I'M FROM TEXAS!

[VOA]

Ragtime Cowgirl,
thanks for the links.
D. James Kennedy's stage presence may not be my personal "cup of tea", but when
I stumbled on his "current affairs" segments, it was a revelation.
My first experience was stumbling onto a David Barton segment on The Founding Fathers...
blew me away as I'm modestly fanatic about history.

Amazing what they left out of school, even at the Church of Christ-affiliated college
I graduated from...even worse from the public schools I attended.

It's like the ACLU (and other revisionists) has simply taken over about 95% of the
history departments across the country, if the not the planet.