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Who's in charge on Turkish team: coach or Islam?
csmonitor.com ^ | June 25, 2002 | Nicholas Birch

Posted on 06/29/2002 8:01:57 PM PDT by Destro

from the June 25, 2002 edition

SPORT VS. FAITH: Hakan Sukur leads the Turkish World Cup team. DAVID LONGSTREATH/AP

Who's in charge on Turkish team: coach or Islam?

As Turkey prepares to face Brazil Tuesday, a national debate swirls in the country over role of Islam on team.

By Nicholas Birch | Special to The Christian Science Monitor

ISTANBUL, TURKEY – Has Turkey, with its embattled economy and its bedridden prime minister, finally found a panacea in football? Judging by the scenes on Saturday following the Turkish team's first-ever qualification for the World Cup semifinals – yes. In Ankara and Istanbul, sleep was nearly impossible as thousands of jubilant fans danced all night in the streets.

In packed bars, discussion mainly centered on Turkish striker Hakan Sukur's dreadful form. But the papers have been full of a controversy characteristic of the tensions between Turkey's secular elite and overwhelmingly Muslim population. Even football, it seems, is not enough to neutralize one of Turkey's most perennial bugbears: the fear of political Islam. In two articles in the popular daily Milliyet, sports columnist Tuncay Ozkan accused the Turkish team of "suffering from the return of a disease that has plagued Turkish sport in general – the equation of professionalism with piety, prayer given precedence over skill." Turkey's soccer players, he claims, have fallen into the hands of a tarikat, or Islamic sect, led by Hakan Sukur. In the absence of a team manager who can control them, it is Mr. Sukur's group who decides who is sent home and who stays, who plays and who doesn't. Ozkan even suggested that the team doesn't pass the ball to players who don't pray.

Reaction to the articles was immediate and harsh. Ozkan wrote to say that angry readers had denounced him as a heretic. Writing in the liberal newspaper Radikal last Tuesday, Ahmet Cakir was more temperate. "The absurdity of this whole affair is that the only evidence produced for these claims is a group of players going to Friday prayers," he writes. "Yet the whole issue is portrayed as if they were caught fornicating and engaged in all sorts of debauchery."

For Rusen Cakir, journalist and author of several books on political Islam, this tendency to see all religious activity as fundamentalist is another kind of fundamentalism. "The Brazilian players are religious too," he says. "Does their press have discussions like this?" Because of such debates, he says that "the relationship between religion and society in Turkey is lived as a perpetual crisis."

Following the rapid rise of the Islamic Refah Party in the 1980s and '90s, rumors of political Islam's increasing influence on sport were taken seriously by Turkey's secularist establishment and press.

"Islam's first target was Turkey's traditionally rural and religious wrestling team," says Hincal Uluc, soccer commentator for daily Sabah. The next was Galatasaray, Turkey's most successful soccer club, of which Sukur was a member. "Florya, the team's headquarters, became an Islamic center," says Mr. Uluc. "While players insisted they should be allowed to fast during Ramadan, the management argued they couldn't, because it would affect their form."

Then, as now, Sukur was the most controversial figure. His role in the ongoing controversy puts a spotlight on one of Turkey's essential dilemmas: Although it's often described as being the only Muslim country to have a secular constitution, there are many here who believe that its particular brand of secularism needs an overhaul. "Turkish secularism is not, as is usually the case in Western Europe, a case of 'a free church in a free state,' " says Mustafa Erdogan, of the Association for Liberal Thinking. Religion here is emphatically in state hands.

Ultimately, the soccer tarikat dispute has its roots in the foundation of the republic in 1923. While the last sultans tried to hold their crumbling domains together by calling on Muslim unity, says Mr. Cakir, "Republicans preferred other national values to gather Turks together." Islam came to be seen as an obstacle to modernization. The tarikats, with their influential networks of social solidarity, were seen as rivals of central authority and repressed, but never totally eradicated.

"Both sides of the divide have to stop looking at each other down the wrong end of their telescopes," says Cuneyt Ulsever, a columnist for Hurriyet.


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: islam; turkey
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1 posted on 06/29/2002 8:01:57 PM PDT by Destro
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To: Destro
Mixing up religion with sport seems misguided to me. I guess folks with an ax to grind will pick up any weapon available, however blunt and inane.
2 posted on 06/29/2002 8:15:50 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Torie
Maybe the secular Islam experiment of Attaturk is at an end? It seems that after almost a century Turkey's secular elite requires ever more coercion to keep down the overwhelmingly Muslim population. I am a big supporter of a Western Turkey divorced from Islam.
3 posted on 06/29/2002 8:43:11 PM PDT by Destro
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To: Destro
This is a ridiculous article. What does the writer have to say about the big Christianity movement within the NFL? Looks like a thinly disguised hit piece on Islam by the "Usual Suspects" that are opposed to allowing Turkey into the EU.
4 posted on 06/29/2002 8:49:47 PM PDT by Tailback
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To: Destro; a_Turk; Travis McGee; knighthawk
See....where ever they go, whatever they do....the muslims want to d' islam together....only dar islam will dooooo....get islam or we'll kill you...in-FI-dell...we chop you upPPpp!!
5 posted on 06/29/2002 8:53:11 PM PDT by crazykatz
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To: doug from upland
FYI
6 posted on 06/29/2002 8:53:43 PM PDT by crazykatz
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To: crazykatz
As cogent as ever I see.
7 posted on 06/29/2002 8:55:58 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Torie; doug from upland; Travis McGee
Torie....You don't like my verses?

What a great compliment!! Thanks. If you don't LIKE them....I am SO VERY PLEASED!!

Hey, Doug....I bet he would just love some of your anti-islamic verses.

Who does torie think he is....the iatollah khommeni????? You got a fatwa for me, torie????

PSSSBTTT!

8 posted on 06/29/2002 9:10:25 PM PDT by crazykatz
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To: Destro
BTT
9 posted on 06/29/2002 9:10:57 PM PDT by crazykatz
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To: a_Turk
*ping*
10 posted on 06/29/2002 9:16:45 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid
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To: Destro
there are many here who believe that its particular brand of secularism needs an overhaul.

This would be a very, very bad thing, most of all for Turkey.

11 posted on 06/29/2002 9:18:10 PM PDT by denydenydeny
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To: Destro
Maybe the secular Islam experiment of Attaturk is at an end?
Very conceited of you to refer to our accomplishment as an experiment..
I am a big supporter of a Western Turkey divorced from Islam.
In favor of what? Christianity or something? I'm Muslim, and that's my business. I don't go around criticising American universities for having one or more churches on campus.. And so what if I pray? Whose business is that? Better than being an atheist anyday.

Pathetic article.
12 posted on 06/29/2002 9:30:46 PM PDT by a_Turk
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To: crazykatz
READY TO SING???

BEEP BEEP

BEAT IT

BOBBY'S GIRL

CALENDAR GIRL

COMING TO AMERICA

DA DO RUN RUN

GIVE PEACE A CHANCE

I LOVE PARIS

LOVE HURTS

I LOVE HOW YOU LOVE ME

LOOKIN' OUT MY BACK DOOR

RAG DOLL

LAST KISS IT'S TOO LATE

KNOCKIN' ON HEAVEN'S DOOR

OH DANNY BOY

TALK TO THE ANIMALS

13 posted on 06/29/2002 9:41:14 PM PDT by doug from upland
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To: a_Turk; Destro
Common for Americans to refer to our system as an "experiment" in self-government or democracy. For us to refer to the Turkish system as an experiment is not denigrating it. There are many things said here to take offense at but I don't think that is one of them.
14 posted on 06/29/2002 9:53:39 PM PDT by LarryLied
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To: Destro
If soccer were a sport, it might even matter. Any game that the world championship can be decided by a score of 1-0, is not a sport. Sorry guys.....don't even ask about golf and baseball.
15 posted on 06/29/2002 9:56:51 PM PDT by AdA$tra
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To: doug from upland; Destro; knighthawk
Thanks DOUG!! REALLY NICE!! SO SPECIAL.

Hey, destro and knighthawk...check 'em out...the songs are just fantastic!

My favorites are: GIVE PEACE A CHANCE and BOBBY'S GIRL. EXCELLENT, Doug

You write the truth....we need you here...make us laugh, make us cry but golly, Dougie don't ever say "goodbye"!

16 posted on 06/29/2002 10:39:46 PM PDT by crazykatz
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To: LarryLied
BTT

17 posted on 06/29/2002 10:40:16 PM PDT by crazykatz
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To: a_Turk
Islam is both a political and religious philosophy. Islam cannot coexist with any other system because Islam is the only system. Christianity was never meant to be the basis of a governmental system only a system of personal belief. Give to Caesar what is Caesar's and to God what is God's can never be a reality in an Islamic state.
18 posted on 06/29/2002 10:42:50 PM PDT by Destro
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To: doug from upland
OOPS, I forgot to mention the DA DO RUN RUN.

I like it like THAT , if ya' know what I mean ?

19 posted on 06/29/2002 11:02:49 PM PDT by crazykatz
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To: Destro
Islamic nations surely face a real crisis in the future..do to population values.
Some have near 30% under 20....they will not find meaningfull emploment..nor social stability.
How does any gov or system keep such unhappy numbers inline?
Now that the media phenom has hit the Islamic realms...the smorgasboard of choices to "Medicate" ones mind ensues.
Musharref...just a Puppet,sittin on a powderkeg in Pakistan.
Irans population...rejecting radical Islam ...desiring the Western culture of America.
Saudi Arabia...a nation divided...sulking and brooding at the "Corruption" that is their "Masters".
Several other nations are holding power tenuiosly.
If failing economics numbers continue....great trouble is instore.
I'm sure the Thinktank types see this...and know what is coming down the road.
Hizbullah and Al Qeda will not lack finding new fodder for their twisted vision.
20 posted on 06/29/2002 11:08:44 PM PDT by Light Speed
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