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Publishers Sue Over Pop-Up Ads
St. Petersburg Times AP Wire ^ | JUNE 28, 2002 - 18:24 ET | ANICK JESDANUN, AP Internet Writer

Posted on 06/29/2002 3:19:04 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

NEW YORK (AP) - Complaining of parasitical behavior, some of the nation's largest news publishers are suing Internet advertising company Gator Corp. over software that triggers pop-up ads when surfers visit their Web sites.

``We make all the investment to gather and collect news and set up an attractive Web site,'' Terence Ross, an attorney for the publishers, said Friday. ``Gator, without making any equivalent investment, reaps the profits.''

The lawsuit was filed this week in U.S. District Court in Alexandria, Va., by a group that includes parent companies of The New York Times, USA Today, The Wall Street Journal and The Washington Post, as well as the digital arms of Knight Ridder and Conde Nast.

In it, the publishers call Gator ``a parasite on the Web that free rides on the content of others.'' They seek an injunction and unspecified damages.

Gator, based in Redwood City, Calif., runs an ad network that claims 22 million active users and 400 advertisers.

Internet users get Gator advertising software when they install a separate product for filling out online forms and remembering passwords.

Gator also comes hitched with free software from other companies, including games and file-sharing programs.

As users surf the Web, Gator runs in the background and delivers advertisements on top of what the surfer would normally get at a site.

Though the Gator ads are marked ``GAIN'' - for Gator Advertising and Information Network - many consumers won't know the difference and will instead blame the site for an unpleasant experience, Ross said.

He acknowledges that some of the publishers, including the Times, do deliver pop-up ads, but he said their timing, frequency and nature are typically controlled.

``What if in a story covering the tragic event of Sept. 11, Gator suddenly popped up an advertising for a flight training school?'' Ross said. ``That would be wholly inappropriate.''

In some cases, the lawsuit charges, Gator's ads are for services that compete with the publishers' - for example, a Travelocity.com ad appears while surfing CondeNet's concierge.com. Both provide travel-related services.

In a statement, Gator pledged to vigorously defend the lawsuit. To Gator, its pop-up windows are no different than what happens when a user runs instant messaging, e-mail or other programs in separate windows while surfing a Web site.

``While we understand why these publishers of advertising-supported Web sites feel threatened by us, we are certain that being a strong and thriving competitor is not illegal,'' said Jeff McFadden, the company's chief executive.

In response to questions via e-mail, McFadden said Gator may file its own lawsuit seeking a declaratory judgment that consumers have the right to decide what is displayed on their computer screens and that Gator's practices constitute lawful competition.

Responding to the publishers' claims of copyright and trademark infringements, Gator said its practices do not involve copying of the publishers' site or using their trademarks.

But Ross said Gator could be held liable because ads block copyrighted material - and hence its presentation - and could confuse visitors into thinking the pitches were authorized by the Web site.

Gator's advertising practices have come under fire before.

Last year, the Interactive Advertising Bureau threatened to file a complaint with the Federal Trade Commission over Gator's selling of ads that block out the ads displayed on other Web sites. Gator responded with a federal suit against the trade group. Gator ultimately agreed to stop the practice.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: gator; internet

1 posted on 06/29/2002 3:19:04 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
In all my years using the internet, I have never purchased a thing from a popup ad. The annoying things do nothing but make me act to shut them down. Why any advertiser chooses to use Gator is a mystery unless the advertising is so cheap that they don't even think about what an annoyance it is.
2 posted on 06/29/2002 4:50:50 AM PDT by Twodees
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Just disable active scripting in your browser. Simple and no more pop -ups.
3 posted on 06/29/2002 4:55:00 AM PDT by Brasky
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Gator, based in Redwood City, Calif., runs an ad network that claims 22 million active users and 400 advertisers.

22 million active my butt.

More like 22 million unwitting surfers who we tricked into downloading and activating our software. Very few people decide to use Gator's software. Most often it's decided for them unwittingly.

4 posted on 06/29/2002 4:56:16 AM PDT by mhking
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To: Brasky
To show my ignorance, how do we disable active scripting? What path do we use to get there? Is it an option under view?

Thanks, I intensely dislike these things.

5 posted on 06/29/2002 5:34:26 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: mhking
//More like 22 million unwitting surfers who we tricked into downloading and activating our software. Very few people decide to use Gator's software. Most often it's decided for them unwittingly.//

Is there any way to set up Internet Exploder so that it will run certain known applications (Flash, Acrobat, etc.) without running all this junk that these bozos keep foisting upon us? The same portals that are used to feed through junkware are also readily succeptible to malware.
6 posted on 06/29/2002 9:20:19 AM PDT by supercat
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To: marktwain
I suggest that you go to www.mozilla.org or www.opera.com and download these Web browsers. The suggestion to disable active scripting may cause many Web sites to not work properly. These browsers, Mozilla and Opera, allow you to disable only pop-up ads.

Mozilla is the basis of Netscape whereas Opera may take some getting used to. Both are very good browsers and much more secure and privacy-friendly than Internet Explorer.
7 posted on 06/29/2002 9:41:55 AM PDT by GulliverSwift
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To: supercat
Is there any way to set up Internet Exploder so that it will run certain known applications (Flash, Acrobat, etc.) without running all this junk that these bozos keep foisting upon us?

You can disable active scripting (aka JavaScript) but this may cause many Web sites not to function correctly. To do so, get to your Internet options (either from Tools|Options (IE 5/6, or View|Internet Options). Then click the security tab, make sure Internet zone is selected. Click the circle next to Custom, then press the Settings button to the right of it. From there, scroll down until you see a heading that says Scripting with a Sub-heading Active Scripting. Choose Disable.

This will disable JavaScript on all Web sites and may have unpleasant side effects on sites you visit regularly. There are ways to disable JavaScript only on specific sites but it's kind of annoying going through the process for every site you come across using pop-ups. I'd recommend downloading Opera or Mozilla instead. They're less of a hassle (see above) and they're free.

You can also download shareware programs which stop pop-ups in Internet Explorer and maybe AOL but I don't know if there are any free ones.

8 posted on 06/29/2002 9:50:50 AM PDT by GulliverSwift
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
We use this, it is FREE and it works GREAT!! IF you want to open another browser window,..(because it will even stop IE from opening a second window) you just hold the control key CTRL and hit the "E" to open another window. You can allow pop ups by doing the same thing,.. hold the CTRL key down. It is so simple..and it is great!!! Since they give it to you free.. I'm happy to give a link to them. We've used it for a good year or more!!

Enjoy!! And let everyone on this thread know what you think after you download it!! Make sure when downloading, that you allow an icon on your task bar upon start up. You will see the red "x" get bright when it stops a pop up!!! WE LOVE IT!!

http://www.panicware.com/popup stopper.html
9 posted on 06/29/2002 9:55:22 AM PDT by Vets_Husband_and_Wife
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To: Vets_Husband_and_Wife
The very best program for this crap (and those closely related to it) is "ADSUBTRACT" located at www.adsubtract.com . It not only stops pop-up, advertisment, background music, referals, cookies, java this and that, but it easily allows you to use any of those that you want on any number of sites. Allow cookies on one site, disallow on another, configure in seconds, does not drain alot of system resources. (For 20 bucks it is the best money I have spent). You can do the same thing with a bunch of other programs or do it all with ADSUBTRACT. I absolutely love it.

Now "ADWARE" is another program that deletes the spyware, ad spamming programs GATOR puts on your computer. But I have found if you look hard enough, you can find people that simply rewrite the "bad" spyware DLL file to one that is harmless. Example the new GROKSTER file sharing program is awesome (as fast as Napster). I really like it, but it is packaged with tons of spyware and that stupid Gator program. It causes tons of annoying pop-ups and forced advertisment on your computer. Solution: download the replacement DLL file (found in C/windows called cd_clint.dll ) Just simple download the new cd_clint.dll file that tells it that you are recieving their spam but in actuallity you are not. Rewrite the bad cd_clint.dll with a good hacked cd_clint.dll and don't be bothered with the spam/ads/ect...

GROKSTER is now the best program for music MP3 downloading you can find.

10 posted on 06/29/2002 10:14:52 AM PDT by LowOiL
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To: Lowelljr
Thanks!! The reason I use popupstopper..is it is free. And it seems to be working well. So if I upgrade (they have other things too at PanicWare) then I'll certainly look at your suggestion before I purchase. Thanks again!
11 posted on 06/29/2002 10:59:23 AM PDT by Vets_Husband_and_Wife
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To: Lowelljr
bump
12 posted on 06/29/2002 11:08:41 AM PDT by VOA
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Gator is not alone...there are many other 'scumware' programs out there. Utilities like InternetEraser and Contentwatch might be of some help....but users have to be careful as to what they install.
13 posted on 06/29/2002 11:19:52 AM PDT by Aaron_A
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To: supercat
Is there any way to set up Internet Exploder so that it will run certain known applications (Flash, Acrobat, etc.) without running all this junk that these bozos keep foisting upon us?

Go get Mozilla 1.0 - it's stable, and you are able to tell it not to open up pop up or pop under windows. Imagine - no more X10 ads to get in the way when you go to weather.com.

One other plus is that you can open up additional windows as TABS instead of windows on your navbar.

14 posted on 06/29/2002 11:27:52 AM PDT by mhking
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
I was thinking about writing a program that would cover up the ads on ICQ with something a bit more -ahem- pleasant.

So, how would such a program be an infringement? The only way to conclude it is an infringement is to assume that ICQ has some kind of legal right to 'operate the way it was designed to' on any system. Its my system though. This is like asking the digital cable people to make it impossible to change the channel during a commercial - your computer system has the RIGHT to do as it pleases with the screen the same way your TV has the right to 'surf'.

15 posted on 06/29/2002 1:56:53 PM PDT by mindprism.com
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To: Brasky
Just disable active scripting in your browser. Simple and no more pop -ups.

What is the downside if I should disable "active scripting"? Would I be unable to use other features built into my software?

16 posted on 06/29/2002 2:19:46 PM PDT by albee
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To: marktwain
I have I.E. 6 so this is how to change in I.E. Other versions may be different. You have to go in to "tools" at the top the page. Then click "internet options". Then "security" Then "custom level". On the next window, Slide the bar down to where it says "scripting" and there is 3 choices for it. Disable, enable, and prompt. There is also options for paste operations via script. Again 3 options for disable enable prompt. And finally scripting of java applets. This one also has options to enable disable and prompt. Some web sites have alot of java applets so I leave that one enabled. There is also a shareware program that kills pop-ups at

http://software.xfx.net/utilities/popupkiller/index.html

17 posted on 06/30/2002 5:44:30 AM PDT by Brasky
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To: albee
Some web sites wont show everything on the page. As far as other features go you can still use everything It just doesnt allow scripting in your web browser. There is a program that purports to kill pop up ads at

http://software.xfx.net/utilities/popupkiller/index.html

18 posted on 06/30/2002 5:50:45 AM PDT by Brasky
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To: supercat
Gator is worse than people know. They have a section (or at least when I went through the abomination last year) in their license agreement that allows them to collect personal and financial information from your machine and send back to their central database for marketing purposes. That financial information includes, but is not limited to databases for Quicken, Money and other known financial packages. Also, they have granted themselves license to scan your network if you are on one using your ID to find other financial and personal information to be sent back for marketing purposes. They're scum of the second worst kind (Al Qadea and Hamas being of the worst kind, the type that kills innocent victims), they prey on innocent victims and plant legal raping of their victims in legalspeak about 5 pages down on a 6 page license document. Not even Microsoft has such a long license document.
19 posted on 06/30/2002 1:32:58 PM PDT by spacewarp
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