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Survey: Half would trade rights for security
Washington Times ^ | 6/29/02 | Larry O´Dell, AP

Posted on 06/28/2002 11:44:13 PM PDT by kattracks

Edited on 07/12/2004 3:55:02 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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1 posted on 06/28/2002 11:44:13 PM PDT by kattracks
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To: kattracks
the right to affordable health care

Where is that right guaranteed? It isn't. Affordable health care would be nice..but it just isn't an actual "right". People bandy that word around these days to apply to anything they want. Heck, I'd like the "right" to live in a leftist free world. Again, nice, but it ain't gonna happen til I get to heaven.

2 posted on 06/29/2002 1:04:09 AM PDT by goodieD
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To: kattracks
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" B.Franklin

3 posted on 06/29/2002 1:43:32 AM PDT by Types_with_Fist
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To: Types_with_Fist
People take 1st ammendment rights for granted. Healthcare is one of the few industrys where there has been high levels of inflation for the past several years. That's why it's higher up on the list. People respond to polls based on the weight of their wallets at the time of questioning.
4 posted on 06/29/2002 2:33:06 AM PDT by College Repub
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To: goodieD
My last post was meant to go to you. Sorry...
5 posted on 06/29/2002 2:33:45 AM PDT by College Repub
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To: kattracks
The respondants to the poll are products of 50 years of public school dumbing down, and a constant bombarding by the media to cunfuse, disinform, and generally create a state of confusion in order to end the great freedoms we enjoy.
6 posted on 06/29/2002 2:39:16 AM PDT by exnavy
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To: College Repub
I think what goodieD was getting at is nobody has a right to health care in the first place much less affordable health care. You have a right to seek medical care. Nobody is obligated to provide it to you. Nobody has a right to food or cheap gas or a job. Happiness and health aren't rights- they were very concerned about this two hundred years ago in a way that we aren't today "...the pursuit of happiness..." but not the happiness itself.

This whole right to healthcare business was started by the lefties. This is how they make the sheep stupid. "Right to healthcare- baa, baa" the sheep say "give us social medicine- baa, baa". Once social medicine is in the door, the entire society must be restructured because each and every little thing you do must be paid for by your neighbor. When you hear that phrase- "the cost to society" you should cringe, because some larda$$ in some gov't job is getting ready to regulate another little part of your life away.

7 posted on 06/29/2002 2:57:53 AM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: Prodigal Son
Agreed. I wasn't endorsing the view, just attempting to explain it.
8 posted on 06/29/2002 3:04:57 AM PDT by College Repub
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To: College Repub
Agreed. I wasn't endorsing the view, just attempting to explain it.

Sorry, didn't want to seem overbearing. That's one of my pet grievances. Like this right (according to the UN) of people to "migrate" to where the economic opportunity is. You know what I mean? Like we're a bunch of wildebeests or African Swallows or something. People have a right to try and emigrate (enough of this migratory crap) but whether a host nation chooses to accept immigrants is a matter that is totally up to nation.

I just think most people don't really give a lot of thought to what comes out of their mouths and then they get used to hearing it and they assume it must be true. Like "right to healthcare". That's one of my favorite questions to ask the people here in the UK- "Do you think you have a right to healthcare?" Invariably they say yes immediately without even thinking. It is only later when I point out that this means doctors and nurses are therefore by definition "slaves" because they have no options- they must provide you with your right- that they reflect and say "well, maybe 'right' isn't the proper word- but come on, you'd die if you didn't get medical treatment, surely you aren't saying I should just die before I get treated?" Invariably, they are displeased with my answer to that.

I think the left has been so successful with the manipulation of language. George Orwell was a socialist and he understood this well. His fear of Big Brother and the "Newspeak" was well founded- not just fantasy that couldn't happen. He who controls the language, controls a person's thoughts by default. The lefties have taken him to heart on this. They get the proletariat to repeat their little mantras again and again until the thoughts are ingrained. Right to healthcare. Economic Justice. Social Justice. Redistribution of Wealth. Access to Capital. A Woman's Right to Choose. Pristine Forest. Level Playing Field. Equality of Outcome. Conservatives are Nazis... The list goes on and on but in each one is a seperate link in the chains they will bind us with in the future.

They have destroyed the concept of education to the point where people can no longer think critically. This of course being done under the assumption that the Proletariat would never be able to think critically anyway- someone must do it for him. When people can't think critically, they can longer differetiate between right and wrong- good and evil. This carries over until people actually scoff and laugh at the notion of "evil" as if it is some Stone Age concept- we see this right now, look at the way the Euros and lefties giggle about the "Axis of Evil". When people can't tell right from wrong they'll vote for the guy who has the smoothest line and tugs at their emotions the best. If Al Gore had been anything but a robotic geek he would have won and that's a fact- game over.

The lefties have tried and done a very good job of turning serious debate and discussion in our great nation into a 'janking contest' where a valid point is simply gawked at in confusion and a slur on someone's character is rewarded with a booty dance and high fives. We need to take our language back and along with it the concept of words having concrete definitions that have consequences when used.

Well, before I start rolling too seriously, I'm outa here. Sorry for ranting this Saturday morning. Take care.

9 posted on 06/29/2002 3:44:19 AM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: Prodigal Son
As the Dems are slowly losing Jews and Blacks (well Jews a little faster) and other key groups, they will begin targeting the largest group of them all even moreso...that being old people. Scare tactics will become even more common I predict
10 posted on 06/29/2002 3:57:12 AM PDT by College Repub
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To: kattracks
Personally, I think if the 2nd amendment were reinstated for ALL Americans, security wouldn't really be a problem.
11 posted on 06/29/2002 4:02:46 AM PDT by RandallFlagg
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To: College Repub
Yep, that's worrying. It's interesting thinking about this now and hopefully I'll be able to reflect on it when I'm "old" and compare to see how my attitudes may or may not have changed.
12 posted on 06/29/2002 4:15:58 AM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: Types_with_Fist
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety"

It is simplistic to parrot slogans instead of dealing with the issue. Ethereal concepts such as liberty are meaningless if you have no safety or if you are dead, even if that is only your perception. The real trick is to achieve the most pragmatic, realistic balance of liberty and safety.

The people who would "trade their rights" in this survey are still voters, and their votes count just as much as yours and mine do. It is voters who feel this way who elect the Hitlery Clintons and Ted Kennedys among us. Put yourself in their shoes for a moment; the Rats persuade by bashing evullll Republicans for putting them in some hypothetical danger du jour (losing health care, throwing the elderly out into the streets, et al.), then make promises to the moon that only socialism can protect them from the bad right-wing zealots.

Instead of spouting slogans at these people, we would do better if we came up with better and smarter ways to illustrate how the trap of socialism works and how it can take away their liberties AND their safety.

(If the task were an easy one, we wouldn't have needed genuises such as Ben Franklin at the inception of our country).

13 posted on 06/29/2002 4:16:47 AM PDT by strela
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To: goodieD
Health care would be more affordable, I suspect, if government would just get the frak out of it...

14 posted on 06/29/2002 9:08:36 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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To: College Repub
People respond to polls based on the weight of their wallets at the time of questioning.

And the rest actually think about things...

15 posted on 06/29/2002 9:09:32 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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To: kattracks

Fools.

One and all. Don't they know that these right's themselves were put in place to protect us from more than just temporary threats like Osama and the dirty underwear gang?

Osama will lose and pass away. If you give up your right's they will also pass away. From both you and the generations to come.

Oh yeah.. I forgot about those "Rights"

Silly me, what was I thinking. Sure, let's find those in the Constitution and cut them out.

16 posted on 06/29/2002 9:16:06 AM PDT by Jhoffa_
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To: strela
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" ---------------------------

It is simplistic to parrot slogans instead of dealing with the issue. Ethereal concepts such as liberty are meaningless if you have no safety or if you are dead, even if that is only your perception. The real trick is to achieve the most pragmatic, realistic balance of liberty and safety.

And that pragmatic balance has been outlined in our constitution, which is being ignored by our current crop of 'pragmatists' in power from both parties. -- Some of whom also parrot that liberty is 'ethereal'.

The people who would "trade their rights" in this survey are still voters, and their votes count just as much as yours and mine do.

Their votes do not count on such unconstitutional issues as socialized medicine.

--- That is the really bizarre, [& unintended] point to be made about this 'poll'. -- It apparently lists some actual rights from the BOR's, along with bogus non-rights.
- That is a very shrewd propoganda technique.

17 posted on 06/29/2002 9:46:10 AM PDT by tpaine
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
ditto that for just about everything
18 posted on 06/29/2002 9:57:50 AM PDT by goodieD
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To: College Repub
no prob. I think it isn't just inflation that effects the health care industry, because if you've ever seen a hospital bill, they charge several times over for common items. I think another problem is the ego of the industry. This mentality of "you can't live without us, we are God". Gives them the idea you can charge people as much as you want, and no one will say a word. This is not to diss good doctors and nurses, especially nurses. But hospital administrators have a real problem.
19 posted on 06/29/2002 10:03:53 AM PDT by goodieD
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To: Types_with_Fist
I guess Ben never locked his doors at night.
20 posted on 06/29/2002 10:07:22 AM PDT by Lower55
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