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One of Only Two Jewish House Republicans Weighs Switch to Democratic Party
National Jewish Democratic Council/USA Today/AP ^ | 6/05/02 | Staffs

Posted on 06/28/2002 7:35:16 PM PDT by LarryLied

National Jewish Democratic Council press release:

Washington, DC: According to the Associated Press and CNN.com’s Internet site, Representative Benjamin Gilman – a former chairman of the House International Relations Committee, and one of only two Jewish Republicans in the House of Representatives – is considering a switch to the Democratic Party.

Under the leading New York redistricting plan currently under consideration by the GOP leadership in Albany, Rep. Gilman may be thrown into the same congressional district as Republican Rep. Sue Kelly. To pass, such a plan would ultimately require the support of the Republican State Senate and Republican Governor George Pataki.

And according to the New York Times Internet site, “Republican lawmakers have long made clear that their first choice for departure is Mr. Gilman, because of his age and his relatively liberal politics.”

In a swipe at President Bush, CNN.com reports that Rep. Gilman noted, “Hopefully the White House will take some interest in our problem.”

“While of course we would very happily welcome Representative Gilman into the Democratic family with open arms, it is simply a shanda – a disgrace – that Republican leaders in New York and Washington would not be more supportive of one of only two Jewish House Republicans,” said Ira N. Forman, Executive Director of the National Jewish Democratic Council.

“Where are the supportive voices of President Bush, RNC Chairman Racicot, and National Republican Congressional Committee Chairman Davis? For that matter, where are the supportive voices of New York’s Governor Pataki and New York Republican Senate President Bruno?

“Rep. Gilman is one of the all-too-few Republican moderates, being pro-choice and supportive of the separation of church and state.

But aside from that, he is a vaunted leader, having served in the House for 30 years and having chaired the House International Relations Committee – where he worked in a bipartisan spirit on behalf of Israel. And then, to add insult to injury, he is one of only two Jewish House Republicans.

Is it that the Republicans do not value the diversity of having two Jews among their ranks of 222 Republicans in the House?

Or is it that they do not need his political moderation, or his decades of experience?

Why is it that out of only a handful of incumbent House Republicans across the country who have been abandoned in the redistricting process by the Republican leadership, it appears that one is the pro-Israel former Chairman of the House International Relations Committee and the senior Jewish Republican in Congress?”



USA Today, 5625/02:

New York redistricting plan gets tentative OK

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Justice Department has tentatively cleared the New York legislature's redistricting plan, which would eliminate two of the state's 31 seats and could throw several longtime House members into election fights with each other .

The plan threatens the career of veteran GOP Rep. Benjamin Gilman, the 79-year-old former chairman of the House International Relations Committee. . .(snip)

Gilman has said he might switch parties so that he would have a better chance in the upcoming election.

Most Republican insiders do not think he will actually jump ship. State Senate Majority Leader Joseph Bruno, a Republican, has said Gilman chuckled about such a move with him.
FULL USA TODAY ARTICLE



TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: New York
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To: dennisw
Well, I can't speak for LarryLied. However, I do have to agree with you that there are certain FReepers who are ONLY found on threads to do with specific topics.

One I might mention is ONLY going to be found on the endlessly-refighting-the-civil-war threads; another is ONLY concerned with tax issues in his/her state.

So I guess that's not so unusual.

81 posted on 06/29/2002 8:07:03 PM PDT by Illbay
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To: Torie
Beisdes the dreaded neo-con pundit (of which there are many, but, alas, not much of a grass roots movement), the conservative movement as it were consists mostly of Orthodox Jews and isnt as wealthy or influential as the liberal lobbies. Of course you have moderate groupings like the DLC that have many Jews in it, and conservative think tanks et al.

Really, though, the Jews influence outweighs their numbers (ask Larry Lied for more info on that) on both the conservative and liberal side of the street (although Larry discounts the latter, of course)

82 posted on 06/29/2002 8:14:52 PM PDT by Nonstatist
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To: Illbay
Fine but LLied is obsessed with a people. Not an issue. LLied is far from the only internet kook hung up on the Jewish people.
83 posted on 06/29/2002 8:15:11 PM PDT by dennisw
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To: Nonstatist
Yes, ideas are powerful, and Jews as a generalization are rather talented with playing around with them. I know this from not only observation, but from personal experience.
84 posted on 06/29/2002 8:20:36 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Torie
ideas are powerful, and Jews as a generalization are rather talented with playing around with them.

And they are skillful practitioners of the ways of politics, which is one of the major reasons there are so many obsessed with what they think. I just think it important for some to remember that they don't all think alike, by any measure, or are inure to changes in the world that may lead them to change their opinions, either.

85 posted on 06/29/2002 8:30:41 PM PDT by Nonstatist
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To: LarryLied
Gilman will be 80 years old in December -- time for him to hang it up.

Retire gracefully, Mr. Gillman. Go rock on the front porch and enjoy your grandchildren.

86 posted on 06/29/2002 8:36:01 PM PDT by Taxman
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To: Nonstatist
Yep, I know that from personal experience as well. My bridge partner over the 7 years I have known him, zipped right past me as he moved from a moderate liberal to a pure conservative, with not much neo at all in him. We both laugh at how I now get to play the liberal (well sort of, not really) when we argue politics. At college, I could find Jews of every political persuasion (from libertarian to Marxist) with whom to argue, and we all enjoyed doing it. The caricatures of those who are really ignorant on these matters are unfortunate.
87 posted on 06/29/2002 8:37:04 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Torie
Perhaps you folks could chime in...

Thanks a bunch. For an encore, how about a thread on how most African Americans don't really support Democrats or how the Christian Coalition supported Bill Clinton in 1996?

88 posted on 06/29/2002 8:48:17 PM PDT by LarryLied
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To: LarryLied
In case you haven't noticed, my MO is to attract diverse opinions on topics where I want to learn more. On voting habits, I think I am very well informed, and that when you post on this topic, you don't paint a very nuanced picture. JMO.
89 posted on 06/29/2002 8:55:15 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Torie
I know who the experts are around here :-)

Also know you know I know of more which could be listed if I wasn't tired of playing the "prove the membership" ring-around-the-rosey.

The usual suspects won't believe me but, once again, Ihope you are right and I'm wrong. The more conservatives the better. 80% agreement would be terrific. 60% is OK.

90 posted on 06/29/2002 9:40:32 PM PDT by LarryLied
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To: Illbay
Five?? I demand a recount. The jew socialist congressmen will dump Bush and the republican party from what little support they now give. A socialist is always a socialist.
91 posted on 06/29/2002 9:50:21 PM PDT by cynicom
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To: Illbay
I wouldn't necessarily count Medved or Schessinger either. I would suggest Paul Gottfried. He's one of my favorite writers, possibly even ahead of Pat Buchanan in my view.
92 posted on 06/29/2002 9:58:10 PM PDT by Phillip Augustus
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To: Torie
There are quite a few groups that can be called Jewish, which are on the right.

The are quite a number of nationalist ones relating to Israel
Domestically there are party orgs like the Republican Jewish Coalition, and the National Jewish Coalition.
There are also policy orgs like
Jews for Morality http://www.jewsformorality.org/
Jews for the Preservation of Firearm Ownership http://www.jpfo.org
Jews for Life http://www.jewsforlife.org/
TOWARD TRADITION http://www.towardtradition.org/

93 posted on 06/30/2002 9:15:42 PM PDT by rmlew
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To: cynicom
Five?? I demand a recount. The jew socialist congressmen will dump Bush and the republican party from what little support they now give. A socialist is always a socialist.

The Jewish Democratic Congressman will never support Bush, but might vote with his agenda on some issues.
Of course we could get some Jews elected to both houses.
Dick Zimmer from NJ in the house or Norm Coleman in Minnisota.

94 posted on 06/30/2002 9:27:31 PM PDT by rmlew
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