One of Only Two Jewish House Republicans Weighs Switch to Democratic Party

National Jewish Democratic Council/USA Today/AP ^ | 6/05/02 | Staffs

[Holden Magroin]

I wish a change were occurring. But I don't see it. I see history repeating itself. One wrong word or move on Israel and the "new" Jewish support Bush has now will turn into fundraising efforts to defeat him in 2004.

Yes, there they go again: those dirty Jews and their money. Sheesh, give it a rest.

[LarryLied]

Why don't you give it a rest? Why the ad hominem? We talk about Jesse Jackson raising money for Democrats all the time. We talk about Christians raising money. We talk about Buddhists giving money to Democrats. Nobody thinks a thing about it. No one suggests a freeper is a racist or hates Buddhists. But mention anything about Jewish influence in politics and the smears start.

Did you read reply #33? Nonstatist says: "Jewish Dems provide about half the soft money coming from individuals to the Democrat Party."

It is OK for Nonstatist to say that but if I do, I'm an antisemite right?

[Leclair10]

There is one x factor in all this larry ariel sharon plans on making Bush an honorary member of the Lekud party next month something not even Joe Lieberman can brag about.

[Leclair10]

Good point Rome not to mention the black caucus being in bed with the arabs.

[Twodees]

This is cute. You're using a stereotype of Jews as liberals after accusing everyone who disagrees with you on Southern issues of being KKK members. Funny you present Jews as liberals and insinuate that they're evil on that account while fervently supporting outright communist Jews like Morris Dees. It appears that you want Jews to be liberal democrats and only when they aren't do you really dislike what they stand for.

[Twodees]

Republicans in large numbers still write off Southerners while relying on the South for a solid conservative base. Look at people like Illbay here for an example of what I mean.

[Wrigley]

More proof that our politicians put their personal power first.

[Illbay]

I'm not "writing off" the Jewish vote. I'm simply trying to inject a bit of reality.

Perhaps in the wake of the Left's unbridled support for the PLO, and their coddling of the "poor, defenseless" terrorist prisoners and hand-wringing about their "right," things WILL change.

But Leftist political sentiment is ingrained in that community, just as it is among blacks. It's not going to happen overnight.

And I do understand--and am now educated--about the 40% of the Jewish vote for Reagan. But Torie posted a link to an interesting article at Reply No. 24. Read it.

It shows that the "Jewish vote" is completely enamoured of the Clinton-Gore era. They voted for Clinton and Gore like they were the Messiah.

Go figure.

[Illbay]

"Latest thing," huh? That's an interesting analysis of the above statistics. Let's see: from 1972 through 1988, the Jewish GOP vote was averaging about 34%. Then came Clinton-Gore, and the best GWB could do was 20%.

So how the h*ll do you come up with your "fad"? If the trend continues, the GOP MIGHT be up to MAYBE 25% in the next election.

But--UH-OH!--Bush has called for a Palestinian state.

Too bad.

[Illbay]

That's one thing that might help, but I doubt Bush is considered a "staunch friend" of Israel OTOH. Especially with Colin Powell in the mix.

[Illbay]

What was said about "dirty Jews"? And one of YOUR cheerleaders was the one who pointed out that although the Jewish vote itself is small in numbers, the money's the thing.

Sounds like YOU think your argument is a bit weak. That's what you people do every time: Pull out the "race card."

[elcaudillo]

I hope congressrat Gilman doesn't let the door hit him in his "moderate" posterior. Too bad he can't take the rest of the moderates with him in order that all our enemies are on the same identifiable side.

The Republican party is in dire need of a cleansing laxative!

[Illbay]

I am sincerely hoping that the black Left is harmed by their support for the terrorists, but IMO that will ONLY siphon away the white vote from black candidates (as happened in Alabama last week with Earl Hillyard).

But every little bit helps--and I'd take the 40% of the Jewish vote (and support) in a second if I thought I could get it.

I simply think it's foolish to count on it.

[Illbay]

You are living in a fantasy world.

I have NO IDEA how you derived ANY of your clap-trap from what I have said.

[Illbay]

The vast majority of southerners are like me: They're conservatives. They're not "neo-Confederate" old-style Democrats like you, Twodees. I know that you have this fever-dream of a south risen again, but the south is just another region of the country, populated half by people who were born there, and half born elsewhere--just like the rest of the country.

Meanwhile, you fiddle while Rome (Georgia) burns. Silly you.

[Illbay]

If they didn't have that attitude, they would not be politicians.

[StockAyatollah]

I'm glad you said it!

[nicmarlo]

This is obviously a propaganda piece to win back jewish votes from Bush. Why else would they say the Republicans have abandoned Jews

My thoughts, exactly.....and the previous one you made....he's a liberal and wants to keep his job.

[aristeides]

It's not so much Jewish votes that matter, think fundraising. I happened to discuss the other day with a liberal Jewish coworker the danger to Dem fundraising among Jews present circumstances, especially in the war and the Middle East, created. He agreed that it was threatened, and volunteered the statement that Bush is the friendliest president to Israel we have had since Truman.

[LarryLied]

Clinton is still making regular fundraising pilgrimages to South Florida. He was three hours late to a Ladies Zionist benefit this spring but his tardiness did not damper the ardor of his fans.