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To: Texasforever
Well, on that point, I can't disagree with him. The federal takeover of the states and ruling from afar, has turned this country upside down. Pre or Post civil war, this Union is still made up of sovereign states. It always has been, the force, coercion, and fraud of the non-secesionists doesn't change the fact. This wasn't even a new idea from the founding fathers on. Even during the war of 1812, the New England states were just on the verge of seccession, if it wasn't for the end of the war and the federal government withdrawing its demands...like the federalizing of the militia, and such, the New England states would have seceded.

Otherwise, we don't even have a need for a federal or state constitutions, but that is not the case. The people joined together to create counties/cities and delegated certain authorities, the counties joined together and created the states (while leaving the People the masters), the states through the approval of the People in the Counties created the Articles of Confederation and then the Constitution of the United States.

To this day, the states can secede from the Union just as they were free to ascede. Counties can secede from the state (just like what is going on in New Jersey), and people have the right to secede from the county.

Now at this point, we are all held at gunpoint from all levels, but that does not mean we do not have the right to secede, just that bloodshed is (currently) not the answer to exercise those rights. What that does mean is we are either free or slaves to the Federal government, it doesn't work both ways, and you can't be kinda free anymore than you can be kinda pregnant, you either are or you aren't.

Clearly I am a Libertarian and I am also a very strong personal conservative, but I am only vaguely familiar with this guy and he seems to lean to more liberal than libertarian view points.
18 posted on 06/28/2002 7:32:03 PM PDT by borntodiefree
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To: borntodiefree
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20 posted on 06/28/2002 7:37:36 PM PDT by davidosborne
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To: borntodiefree
It is absolutely amazing that there are still people to whom this type of foolish gibberish nonsense is their point of advocacy. These are the same specie of "geniuses" who assert with a straight face that the 14th Amendment is not the Law of the Land, that the income tax is unconstitutional, that states have the right to exercise a unilateral option to leave the Union, that there exists a sinister cabal titled the Council of Foreign Relations (there is such a benign organization) that is busily engaged in a conspiracy to unify the world under a single foreign government inimical to the interests of the United States, and other such equally idiotic views of contemporary affairs.

These kooks should repeatedly thank the Almighty for the liberties, and particularly those of religion, privacy, due process, speech and assembly, that they would deny those who disagree with their nuttiness if they, by some horrendous quirk of events, were to gain governance power.

81 posted on 09/27/2002 3:44:40 PM PDT by middie
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