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featherov@yahoo.com (Rebecky) wrote in message news:...

> First, good news -- from the USFE and Firehouse.Com site: after > petitioning Congress, accusing NY of concealing evidence by the quick > recycling of critical steel beams, the civil engineers of the Nat'l > Institute now have access to over 60 steel beams they found in salvage > yards which had not been melted down and recycled. On 4/16, they were > particularly happy to report finding an intact beam that, according to > the numbers stamped on it, went from floor 101 to 103. Report > pending. These folks are not "conspiratorial", they just want to know > WHY the towers collapsed when, according to most calculations, they > should not have.

Hate to break this to you, but who do you think saved those beams?

And having NIST look at them was always the plan. Nothing the USFE, etc did has changed anything.

> Now to your questions:

> > (1) This Saker "Rocky" Hammad thing has me ready to scream; I'm dead > ended, out of ideas to research, and can't think of any plausible > theory to explain the known data.

It isn't that hard.

> I can't find ANY reliable account of why Sakher and his cousin were in > the garage and lower level basement of the WTC on 9/5 and 9/6, > although per Rocky's WTC pass and his court testimony and a letter > from his "boss", they undisputably were "working" in the WTC on those > dates.

So you think Denko was lying and they weren't working for him?

> First day in court, Rocky says he and his cousin were repairing the > sprinkler system. The business card he had with him was "Magic Heating > and Air -- call Rocky at xxxxxx". The card advertised residential > counter-top installation and repair, residential plumbing and air > conditioner service. Investigative journalist calls to the number > listed got a voice message: "Rocky's voice mail is full". Traces to > the address listed on the card showed this to be the residence of > Sakher Hammad and several others with Arabic names.

And what would you expect? Hammad hadn't been home in quite a while, he apparently did have a business, and apparently he did work for other people. Check the address with the NYC tax assessor's office. I'll bet it's an apartment house. The others had different phone numbers, didn't they?

> Second time in court, 3/28/02, reported in only two Memphis news > articles I could find, he is released on bail with no objection from > the DA. His father, Peter Hansen, reportedly an engineer for the City > of New York who immigrated from Jordan 15 years ago, who now lives on > Staten Island, brought a letter from Rocky's "boss", a Sergei Denko of > Denko Mechanical Ltd. (not Magic Plumbing). In phone calls to the > number listed, not published in the news articles, Mr. Sergei Denko > verified that Rocky and his cousin (also arrested in the Memphis scam) > were working in the WTC garage and lower level basement "for a couple > of days" in early September -- no further explanation (in the news > articles). The Port Authority has no record, and claims he must have > been hired by a tenant in the building (??? -- for the sprinkler > system??). One earlier article reported that Rocky was close to his > mother, no name given, who is still a resident of Gaza/Jordan.

> > Frustrated, I ran my own amateur trace over the net -- the only Denko > Mechanical I could find was a refrigeration company in Manitoba.

You didn't look quite hard enough. The State of New York has a business entity filing for Denko Mechanical, filed 2/8/2000.

Denko Mechanical, Inc. 232 E 26th Street Ste 21 New York, New York 10010

Chief Operation Officer Sergei Denko same address

> I > could find no Sergei Denko in the US or Canada.

That would be because his real name is Davidenko.

Sergei Davidenko 232 E. 26th Street New York, NY 10010

And 232 E. 26th Street is a 5 story walkup, 22 apartments.

> Mr. Hansen admitted > in court he did not see his son often -- Mr. Hansen lives on Staten > Island and Rocky lives in Brooklyn at an address I found registered to > 14 others with Arabic names;

You have heard of apartment buildings, haven't you. Did the other people have the same phone number? Again, check with the NYC tax assessors office. Bets are it's an apartment house.

> Rocky also was listed at a residence in > Memphis. His car and another, with NY tags, had driven down from New > York to Memphis the day of their arrest (in February) and were in the > process of obtaining four fake drivers licenses for Arabic aliens at > the time of arrest. Per my amateur trace, his father couldn't have > lived at the Staten Island residence for more than a year because the > address was registered to someone else in 2001 who was, until 2001, > active in the Staten Island community. Mr. Hansen testified he made > Rocky's $250,000 bail by second mortgaging his home.

Hansen owns a $305,000 house (tax evaluation) and Mid-Island Equities holds the mortgage.

> And I keep remembering how OSB said he didn't know himself the date of > the attack until the previous Thursday -- Sept 6. > > As for the rest of your questions:

> > (2) My sources are basic internet search: the CBS documentary > transcripts and transcripts from the Naudet video, and articles cited > in the NY Times, NY Daily News (January 4, 2002), and USFE magazine, > most of which feature quotations by Bill Manning of the USFE (a name > to use if you're using a search engine). The articles I've read note > Chief Pfeiffer's team as having explosive experts, which is why they > had been sent to a (false alarm) possible gasoline leak (minutes > before the first plane hit). I recall more than one article stating > they were among the first to arrive and I presumed that was a > universally accepted fact. Is it not? I believe you said "the first to arrive", not one of the first. > (3) In all fairness, in checking further (I have a box full of printed > articles), witnesses in the lobby DID report seeing a fireball come > from the freight elevator shaft, and that was the source of the two > "burning bodies" encountered by Naudet when he entered the lobby -- he > decided not to film anything so gruesome. The lobby, then, is clearly > not as strong a pro-bomb argument as I had first believed, and I think > a couple of conspiratorial sites exaggerated the initial reports of > the firemen saying, "it looked like a bomb exploded in the lobby".

So, not knowing anything about what happened, what is a logical description of the area around the trade center just after the planes crashed?

> (3) Most of the reasonable evidence for "bomb" or "detonation" > theories comes from an engineering standpoint, as in the beginning of > this thread -- of the articles I've been able to find on the net, > about 50% of them don't believe the jet fuel fire and plane crash were > enough to collapse the buildings. It certainly surprised the firemen > on the scene -- other high rises have withstood intense upper level > fires for 3 and 4 hours.

But those buildings were not (a) built like the WTC towers and WTC7, and (b) did not have accelerants added to the fire. You do know that a good bit of the other WTC buildings collapsed too, don't you?

> Also they cite problems with the type of > debris found

Those problems being? >and the manner in which the buildings collapsed, Which is what kind of problem? >and the Tower 7 problem. There is no "Tower 7 problem" except in the minds of conspiracy theorists. It was constructed just like WTC1 and 2 and had hundreds of gallons of diesel fuel in it. It burned for many hours before it's steel beams gave way. >There is not enough evidence to PROVE a bomb, but >there is enough doubt to warrant a THOROUGH investigation. How do you investigate when there is not enough evidence? > ??? IF Sakher(a) Hammad and his cousin were in the WTC illegitimately > on 9/5 and 9/6, what MIGHT they have done? You tell me -- I'm still > hunting.

Worked on the sprinkler system?