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BUSH CAVES IN TO TERRORISM READY TO ANNOUNCE PROVISIONAL PALI STATE (Klayman is Making Sense?)
JW ^ | 06-19-2002 | COMMENTARY BY LARRY KLAYMAN

Posted on 06/26/2002 8:04:31 PM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican

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To: Howlin
Someone from a Keyman Klan saying others are elitist? Kettle...black. Oyvey
81 posted on 06/27/2002 9:54:39 AM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
"But I thought thats whay YOU said. YOU said he is no expert, yet his comments in this article are more than your EVERYDAY commentator on the SUBJECT."

You are the one that is exalting Larry to the status of a foreign policy expert, not me.

82 posted on 06/27/2002 9:54:44 AM PDT by FreedominJesusChrist
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To: FreedominJesusChrist
The belief that only known experts can be able to accurately for forth a valid opinion

Well, there's the rub, isn't it? He wasn't accurate.

83 posted on 06/27/2002 9:55:31 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: FreedominJesusChrist
I figure if you could get confused by your own comments from another thread, then certainly you would make sense of JW's coming to my door on weekends.
84 posted on 06/27/2002 9:55:45 AM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
I am not calling the kettle black at all. You two seem to have this bizarre notion that just because Larry Klayman is not a recognized expert on Middle East foreign policy, that his opinion is not as legitimate or as valid as any of those other talking heads on TV, or that he does not have the right to put forth his opinion on the matter.

That IS an elitist notion and is not Jeffersonian at all in principle or practice.

85 posted on 06/27/2002 9:57:23 AM PDT by FreedominJesusChrist
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To: Howlin
You forgot valid
86 posted on 06/27/2002 9:57:31 AM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: FreedominJesusChrist
Ok, thanks.

I didn't think this article was valid.

That's why I posted it under HUMOR.

87 posted on 06/27/2002 9:58:44 AM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: Luis Gonzalez; RedBloodedAmerican
“The message of President Bush and the Bush Administration is that you can kill almost 3,000 Americans and get what you want, a Palestinian state. This neither furthers the war against terrorism nor enhances U.S. respect and credibility internationally. To the contrary, the bludgeoning of Israel into acceding to a provisional Palestinian state not only creates a fait accompli, but encourages more terrorism,” stated Judicial Watch Chairman and General Counsel Larry Klayman.

To the contrary, Bush's message to the long-suffering Palestinian people -- currently exploited as pawns by Arafat and the totalitarian/theocratic dictatorships in the Middle East -- is *IF* you repudiate terror and homicide-bombings and replace the gangster Arafat and his thugs with new leaders who genuinely seek peace, then not only will you have statehood, but you will also receive our help in achieving peace and prosperity.

Bush's speech gives hope to the beleagured Israelis who genuinely seek only to live in peace and who have been abandoned or scapegoated by the rest of the world. Bush's speech also give hope to the fledging and persecuted pro-democracy elements in Iran and throughout the Arab world, including the few peaceful Palestinians still left after years of brainwashing and murder by Arafat.

The Israelis were extremely pleased with Bush's speech. Knowledgable pro-Israeli conservative pundits like Dr. Charles Krauthammer, Michael Kelly and George Will praised Bush's speech. What are the odds that the most interested parties and the most knowledgable experts are completely wrong and only Larry got it right?

The fact is Larry is as spectacularly wrong on Bush's speech as Yasser Arafat was when he claimed Bush's insistence on replacing the corrupt and failed Palestinian leadership was not a reference to him. Arafat, of course, is either delusional, senile or lying. What's Larry's excuse?

88 posted on 06/27/2002 10:01:33 AM PDT by William Wallace
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To: Howlin
TV Commentators and columnists speculate on public policy all the time, it is part of their art of writing and critical thought. They have some hits and they have some misses.

I see no problem with Larry's opposition to a Palestinian state. Again, I find it very unencouraging that President Bush had to tell these people publically, that they were not going to be allowed to re-elect Arafat to public office. Are the Palestinians really ready for transition into democracy if they cannot understand that electing a known TERRORIST to office is not a democratic principle?

What's more, should we as a country, support a democratic Palestine when the average person was out cheering in the streets on September 11th? The thought of these fanatics getting a free state scares me, because they aren't responsible enough to handle what a democracy entails.

Also, I feel sorry for Israel. Afterall, they have would have to live next to a Palestinian state, not us. They are on the front lines everyday fighting these fanatics.

89 posted on 06/27/2002 10:04:32 AM PDT by FreedominJesusChrist
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To: FreedominJesusChrist
If so, it could be that you are an adult who still thinks that Carmen is cool too. LOL!

I'm betting he has the definitive collection of anything Carmen, down to the suits.
90 posted on 06/27/2002 10:08:16 AM PDT by Registered
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To: Registered
The suits? Oh, you mean the MC Hammer pants? LOL!
91 posted on 06/27/2002 10:09:21 AM PDT by FreedominJesusChrist
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To: FreedominJesusChrist

BUSH CAVES IN TO TERRORISM READY TO ANNOUNCE PROVISIONAL PALI STATE

That's not "putting forth" an opinion on anything, that's predicting what the president was about to do, and Larry was (as usual) spectacularly wrong.

Now, you and I argued once that implications carry weight when you supported Larry's distortion on the promotion of a mid-level government employee. Larry claimed (and you supported his claim) that the fact that Bush and Ashcroft were in charge at the time, this implied that the promotion was their doing.

Now, Larry accepted to appear on a radio program to discuss official US government policies concerning the Middle East, that implies that Larry considers himself an expert on this issue, otherwise, why would the station invite him, or why would he accept?

So then, according to yours and Larry's own logic, the fact that he appeared on a radio show to specifically discuss US Middle Eastern policy implies that Larry claims to be a Middle Eastern policy expert.

Or were you both wrong on that other thread?

Oh, one last thing...what's Larry doing criticizing Bush's foreign policy anyway? There was nothing illegal done by the Bush administration here.

Is Judicial Watch a public interest, non-profit law firm? Or is it in reality a Liberal Political Action Committee.

I know what I would answer to that.

92 posted on 06/27/2002 10:39:03 AM PDT by Luis Gonzalez
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To: FreedominJesusChrist
I'm really not interested in how you feel about it. I just wondered how you could come up with an excuse for Klayman coming out of the gate too soon on this.

And no matter how you dress it up, there will be NO Palestinian state in September, which is EXACTLY what Larry Klayman said George W. Bush was going to do.

93 posted on 06/27/2002 10:55:59 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
Has anyone really considered the consequence of establishing a Palestinian state - the consequence to itself?

Think about it: right now (aside from the ongoing "you slap me, I slap you" games) the Palestinians are basically part of a second-world nation, with various benefits thereof. Decent jobs are available, standard gov't services are provided, basic food & goods & services are available, etc.

BUT...should a separate state be created, can it survive? With practically no farming or industry or ports of its own, with much of the jobs severely reduced by a new real border with real checkpoints & visas, with no gov't services provided or subsidized by its current reluctant supporter, with no apparent motivation on the citizens' parts toward self-sufficiency, and with a total size so small as to be practically impotent in all national/international matters, creating a Palestinian state would regress the Palestinians to a seriously third-world status with no hope or purpose except war.

Perhaps the strategy SHOULD be "give 'em enough rope and they'll hang themselves". As an occupied territory, they'll whine & moan forever. As a soveriegn nation, methinks they'll regress (either on their own or as consequence to attacking Israel) to the natural state of the region: barren wasteland. Maybe Bush is onto something...

94 posted on 06/27/2002 11:16:21 AM PDT by ctdonath2
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To: Luis Gonzalez
You won't get a reply from any Klayes person, but if you do, please flag me back here. Thanks. I would like to find out as well, and pass this info along. I find JW violates everything I find about non-profits on nolo.
95 posted on 06/27/2002 12:23:40 PM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: ctdonath2
Bush's comments have been to draw a line in the sand for Arafat and the Palis, thats all. Of course he and the Admin know they won't cooperate and do not want their own state.
96 posted on 06/27/2002 12:25:24 PM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: Howlin
Think Lar will sue GW for making him look like an idiot? I am sure.
97 posted on 06/27/2002 12:26:38 PM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Oh, one last thing...what's Larry doing criticizing Bush's foreign policy anyway?

Now, you may not accept this, but maybe he has the same qualifications that you do when you criticized Clinton and Reno's Cuban policy. Like you, he publishes what he thinks about the issue regarding an area of the world that he feels a part of, and he uses the platform that he has, JW, just like you and your Banana Republican column and FR radio show. Now, all you have to do is start a non-profit, create a mass mailing campaign to generate funds and you and he will have even more in common ;-)
98 posted on 06/27/2002 12:32:20 PM PDT by Registered
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To: Registered
"...and he uses the platform that he has, JW, just like you and your Banana Republican column and FR radio show."

Send your $26 million to: The Banana Republican, P.O. Box 0001, The Banana Republic of FL., USA.

I promise to use 10% of what you send for whatever it was that I told you I needed the money for.

99 posted on 06/27/2002 1:16:07 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez
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To: Luis Gonzalez
You need to hire a PR firm, that will never work.
100 posted on 06/27/2002 1:22:12 PM PDT by Registered
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