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Child torture routine in Iraq
BBC ^ | John Sweeney

Posted on 06/25/2002 8:47:30 PM PDT by Husker24

The star witness against the Government of Iraq hobbled into the room, her legs braced with clumsy metal calipers. "Anna" had been tortured two years ago. She's now four years old. Her father, Ali, was a thick-set Iraqi who used to work for Saddam's psychopathic son, Uday. Some time after the bungled assassination of Uday, Ali fell under suspicion.

He fled north, to the Kurdish safe haven policed by western fighter planes, but leaving his wife and daughter behind in Baghdad.

Four year old "Anna" was tortured two years ago

So the secret police came for his wife. "Where is he?" They tortured her. And when she didn't break, they tortured his daughter.

"When did you last see your father? Has he phoned? Has he been in contact?"

They half-crushed the toddler's feet. Now, she doesn't walk, she hobbles, and Ali fears that Saddam's men have crippled his daughter for life.

So Ali talked to us.

I've been to Baghdad. Being in Iraq is like creeping around inside someone else's migraine. The fear is so omni-present you could almost eat it. No one talks.

So listening to Ali speak freely was a revelation.

He's not exactly a contender to be the next Archbishop of Canterbury. He had the heft of an enforcer. He told me that he had tortured for the regime. But I don't think he was lying to us.

Fear is omni-present in Baghdad

Dead babies

Ali talked about the paranoid frenzy that rules Baghdad, the tortures, the killings, the corruption, the crazy gangster violence of Saddam and his two sons.

And the faking of the mass baby funerals.

You may have seen them on TV. Small white coffins parading through the streets of Baghdad on the roofs of taxis, an angry crowd of mourners, condemning western sanctions for killing the children of Iraq.

Usefully, the ages of the dead babies - "three days old", "four days old" - are written in English on the coffins. I wonder who did that?

They used to collect children's bodies and put them in freezers

Ali

Ali gave us the inside track on the racket. There aren't enough dead babies around. So the regime stores them for a mass funeral.

He said that he was friends with a taxi driver - he gave his name - whose son had a position in the regime.

Ali continued: "He told me he had to go to Najaf" - a town 100 miles from Baghdad - "in order to bring children's bodies from various freezers there, and that the smell was unbearable.

"They used to collect children's bodies and put them in freezers for two, three or even six or seven months - God knows - till the smell gets so unbearable. Then, they arrange the mass funerals."

The logic being, the more dead babies, the better for Saddam. That way, he can weaken public support in the west for sanctions. That means that parents who have lost a baby can't bury it until the regime says so.

Apology

So how could it be that people would put up with this sickening exploitation of grief?

Uday took out a wooden cosh and beat the tennis player's brains out

Ali

Ali told another story.

He'd seen Uday kill with his own eyes. This was some years ago, before the assassination attempt left Saddam's oldest son half-paralysed and impotent.

Uday's lust is famous in Baghdad. He wanted a woman who played tennis at Baghdad's Sports Club, so he and Ali went to the club.

As Uday was turning into the car park, a tennis ball came over the fence and bounced against the car of the woman he desired.

The tennis player came into the car park to retrieve the ball and apologized to the woman. Maybe there was a bit of flirting - that does happen at tennis courts, even in England.

From his car Uday watched the two of them. Enraged, he took out a wooden cosh and beat the tennis player's brains out. And then - get this - a few days later, the dead man's relatives apologised to Uday for the distress their son had caused him.

Incredible?

I don't think so. In northern Iraq - the only part of the country where people can speak freely - we met six other witnesses who had direct experience of child torture.

Another of Saddam's enforcers - now in a Kurdish prison - told us that an interrogator could do anything: "We could make a kebab out of the child if we wanted to." And then he chuckled.

In that environment, with that background noise of fear, it is not impossible to imagine that the Government of Iraq could have conned the world, inventing numbers of dead babies that the gullible - and that includes the United Nations - accept as reliable.

Labour MP George Galloway

While we were in the north of Iraq, the chairman of the Great Britain Iraq Society, Labour MP George Galloway, was in Baghdad. He popped up on Iraqi TV, saying "When I hear the word Iraq, I hear someone calling my name".

I don't agree.

When I hear the word Iraq, I hear a tortured child, screaming


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yea, im sure that Saddam turning over power to Uday, will stop an attack. These people are animals.
1 posted on 06/25/2002 8:47:30 PM PDT by Husker24
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To: Husker24
Very convenient for this to come out now. I'm not sure I believe it.

I wonder if they eat their babies too?

2 posted on 06/25/2002 8:54:31 PM PDT by Lester Moore
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To: Husker24

Uday Hussein murdered a tnnis player in England ?

Am I misreading this? Why isn't he IN JAIL in england then?

What exactly is going on here that's unsaid in this story? I mean, I just can't picture Saddam's kid beating someone to death at the local Burger King and then leaving like nothing happened..

3 posted on 06/25/2002 8:57:01 PM PDT by Jhoffa_
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To: Husker24
Torturing infants and children in front of their parents (or within earshot) is a common practice in Baathist Iraq. Something about hearing one's child screaming under torture that can break people.
4 posted on 06/25/2002 8:59:00 PM PDT by He Rides A White Horse
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To: Jhoffa_
This story comes from the BBC.
6 posted on 06/25/2002 9:00:08 PM PDT by Husker24
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To: Husker24
yea, im sure that Saddam turning over power to Uday, will stop an attack. These people are animals.

Yes, they are.

7 posted on 06/25/2002 9:00:29 PM PDT by He Rides A White Horse
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To: Husker24
Okay..

That makes more sense. But I still think it's worded poorly.

8 posted on 06/25/2002 9:01:02 PM PDT by Jhoffa_
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To: Husker24; hobbes1
Ali talked about the paranoid frenzy that rules Baghdad, the tortures, the killings, the corruption, the crazy gangster violence of Saddam and his two sons.

And the faking of the mass baby funerals.

Hey hobbes1, how much longer till we get regime change

All others suspicious of why Sadaam needs to go Click here.

9 posted on 06/25/2002 9:01:32 PM PDT by NeoCaveman
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Uday, is world renound for being a psycopath, I believe it. I have heard alot of things about this kind of stuff going on over there, especially involving Uday.
10 posted on 06/25/2002 9:02:23 PM PDT by Husker24
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To: Jhoffa_
Yea, your right they should have left out the part about flirting in England, that was kind of wierd.
11 posted on 06/25/2002 9:03:43 PM PDT by Husker24
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To: SickOfItAll
Exactly, I'm no fan of Iraq, but when crap like this comes out you know something's fixing to happen. Propaganda at it's finest.

The war drums beat loudly, friend. Just know that the cause, removing Sadaam is just, even if we don't get the true reasons. Like these.

12 posted on 06/25/2002 9:03:57 PM PDT by NeoCaveman
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To: Husker24
It must be free doobie night at the BBC.

How else to explain the author's ability to actually make sense and even give a Labour MP a good, well deserved shot.

13 posted on 06/25/2002 9:04:02 PM PDT by spectre
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To: SickOfItAll
I guess I dont see where its BS.
15 posted on 06/25/2002 9:12:07 PM PDT by Husker24
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To: SickOfItAll
Some people may recall that just prior to Desert Storm, a young woman who said she was a nurse in a Kuwaiti hospital testified before Congress claiming that Iraqi soldiers turned off incubators so that infants would die. It turned out that the young woman was the daughter of a Kuwaiti diplomat (I believe the ambassador) and the whole story was a fabrication by Kuwait to drum up support for the war.
17 posted on 06/25/2002 9:28:41 PM PDT by Ordinary_American
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I believe it.

Multiple Iraqi defectors have mentioned that Saddam shows people he wants to intimidate films of children being tortured. The most recent mention was in David Rose's article in the April 2002 Vanity Fair, which is not available online but is summarized here. (sorry, without the child-torture mention, but it is mentioned in the actual VF article).

18 posted on 06/25/2002 9:37:45 PM PDT by denydenydeny
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To: SickOfItAll
Well, they might be crazy, but they don't torture their children, I know for a fact. So, whatever.

Tom Metzger told you personally, huh?

19 posted on 06/25/2002 9:38:32 PM PDT by He Rides A White Horse
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To: SickOfItAll
Well, they might be crazy, but they don't torture their children, I know for a fact. So, whatever.

Their own children, who would, Kurdish children, children of their opponents. I believe it. If a regime is willing to gas villages of civilians I'll put nothing past them.

20 posted on 06/25/2002 9:45:57 PM PDT by NeoCaveman
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