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United Airlines seeks $1.8 billion in federal loan help
Associated Press / SFGate

Posted on 06/24/2002 11:36:48 AM PDT by RCW2001

DAVE CARPENTER, AP Business Writer
Monday, June 24, 2002
©2002 Associated Press

URL: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2002/06/24/national1426EDT0652.DTL

(06-24) 11:26 PDT CHICAGO (AP) --

United asked the government for $1.8 billion in federal loan assistance Monday, making it the biggest airline yet to seek help under a program set up after Sept. 11 to prop up the ailing industry.

The nation's No. 2 airline has lost about $1 billion since the terrorist attacks. It is the third major airline to seek federal loan guarantees under the program, behind America West and US Airways.

United said it asked the Air Transportation Stabilization Board to guarantee $1.8 billion of a $2 billion private loan.

United chairman and chief executive Jack Creighton called United "the perfect candidate" for the program, since it was a target of the attacks.

Creighton had said United would apply if it got wage concessions from its employees. It has since ordered pay cuts for its 11,000 management and salaried employees, estimated at $430 million over three years, and reached a tentative pay-cut agreement with its 9,200 pilots worth $520 million over three years.

Federal approval of its application is not assured. Not only have United's mechanics and flight attendants not agreed to cuts, but the airline has come under fire within the industry for seeking government help when it was trouble even before Sept. 11.

Stock in United's parent, UAL Corp., fell 44 cents to $11.51 in afternoon trading on the New York Stock Exchange.

©2002 Associated Press  


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1 posted on 06/24/2002 11:36:48 AM PDT by RCW2001
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To: RCW2001
Let them go out of business. It will just allow for more expansion by Southwest and Jet Blue. That would be great.
2 posted on 06/24/2002 11:39:10 AM PDT by Rodney King
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To: RCW2001
"If Amtrak can have money, then can we have some too???"
3 posted on 06/24/2002 11:39:42 AM PDT by mhking
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To: Rodney King
Nice and simple, huh? You're obviously not from the Chicago area.
4 posted on 06/24/2002 11:48:16 AM PDT by Coop
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To: RCW2001
Every airline seems going to the government with a tin cup in hand. For consumers its great to fly while prices are as low as they're ever going to be.
5 posted on 06/24/2002 11:49:41 AM PDT by goldstategop
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To: RCW2001
No. No money for UAL. The only tool we as consumers have as a hammer against poor service and oppressive security proceedures is boycott: refusal to fly.

If the government props up the losses incurred by boycott, we, the flying public no longer have a hammer.

Intended?

6 posted on 06/24/2002 11:50:46 AM PDT by doberville
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To: Coop
Yes, it is nice and simple really. Bloated inefficient companies should be replaced by better ones.
7 posted on 06/24/2002 11:51:02 AM PDT by Rodney King
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To: Coop
Oh so Chicago deserves special status?

How about a small mom and pop store going out of business...should the Feds bail them out cause they are a major employer in Hicksville USA?
9 posted on 06/24/2002 11:51:47 AM PDT by gjpino
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To: Forty_two
Wait, you forgot the Railroads:

http://www.freerepublic.com/fo cus/news/705230/posts
10 posted on 06/24/2002 11:53:02 AM PDT by gjpino
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To: RCW2001; billbears
They never gave me any of their profit back, why should I give them tax money?
11 posted on 06/24/2002 11:53:58 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: Rodney King
Rodney... do you realize that if elected officials in Washington followed your advice, there would be no Chrysler Motors today? Perhaps one of the more important functions of federal government is to foster trade and stimulate industry. The business of America is business, and when the corner-stone corporations that have made America great require a little financial push, thank God America can afford to help.

Americans should not think twice about economic packages for struggling corporations. It's a drop in the bucket compared to social spending like Medicare or Medicaid. PS Of course, if corporations based in America were less-regulated and less-taxed then they would not have to set up shop in Bermuda to begin with.

12 posted on 06/24/2002 12:01:33 PM PDT by CecilRhodesGhost
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To: CecilRhodesGhost
Rodney... do you realize that if elected officials in Washington followed your advice, there would be no Chrysler Motors today?

Wouldn't bother me.

13 posted on 06/24/2002 12:03:04 PM PDT by Rodney King
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To: RCW2001
Why can't they just go to the United Way for help?
14 posted on 06/24/2002 12:04:05 PM PDT by inquest
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To: Forty_two
ROFLOL.
15 posted on 06/24/2002 12:04:19 PM PDT by Registered
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To: stainlessbanner
What about those 'internal improvement' plans now? Hey it's the American System at work!! Truly there are people here I work with that are complaining that the government should do these things because that's what they've always done. And besides it's the right thing to do.

God, the sheep are killing me around here!! Always done it? I don't even argue anymore half the time. Just goes right over their heads anyway

16 posted on 06/24/2002 12:04:35 PM PDT by billbears
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To: CecilRhodesGhost
"Rodney... do you realize that if elected officials in Washington followed your advice, there would be no Chrysler Motors today? "

So what! What makes them special? If you can't cut the mustard you should not be in business. Government is not the tool to decide the winners and losers in business. That is the function of the market place.

The former USSR tried to run all the business and you know what happened to them.

17 posted on 06/24/2002 12:06:36 PM PDT by Wurlitzer
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To: RCW2001
Sooooweee!
Sooooweee!

Oink oink oink!

Here comes the pork!

18 posted on 06/24/2002 12:06:55 PM PDT by Vladiator
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To: CecilRhodesGhost
Americans should not think twice about economic packages for struggling corporations. It's a drop in the bucket compared to social spending like Medicare or Medicaid.

The costs of bailouts are higher than just the amount of the bailout. Every dollar that is give to bail out an inefficient corporation was taken from the pocket of someone else who would have spent it on something else. Every other industry loses a dollar for every dollar that United gains. Another invisible cost are the efficient competitors (like southwest) who otherwise would have moved in on the territory and served the economy in a more efficient way.

Oh, and I forgot: Every time a company gets bailed out, it sends a signal to other companies that there is no downside for screwing up. That costs us, too.

I lost my job a few years ago, nobody bailed me out. I went on with life without complaining. Why should I pay taxes to bail-out some union guy with plumber's crack who didn't pay a dime to bail me out when I lost my job?

19 posted on 06/24/2002 12:07:03 PM PDT by Rodney King
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To: billbears
You know, the really scary part is how people (and corporations) more frequently look to the federal government as their custodians: Feed me, house me, bail me out, prop me up - it's the ultimate welfare state.
20 posted on 06/24/2002 12:07:47 PM PDT by stainlessbanner
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