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To: WhiskeyPapa; 4ConservativeJustices
The mayor of Baltimore is not inciting mobs to fire on federal troops this time.

What? From his bed?

two o'clock a. m., on the 25th day of May, A. D. 1861, aroused from his bed by an armed force pretending to act under military orders from some person to your petitioner unknown

And not even definitive charges?

The case, then, is simply this: a military officer, residing in Pennsylvania, issues an order to arrest a citizen of Maryland, upon vague and indefinite charges, without any proof, so far as appears

Face it Walt, it's the same thing. Both cases unconstitutional. Of course we know who ignored those. Let's see if Bush is as uncaring about the Constitution, and from the looks of the National 'Inform on your neighbor and get money' Secret Police that's being set up, I'm of half a mind to believe that he is.

38 posted on 06/25/2002 6:46:41 AM PDT by billbears
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To: billbears
THE BALTIMORE MASSACRE

Friday 19 April 1861

In accordance with Special Orders, No. 6, the 6th Massachusetts Militia had proceeded to Washington City leaving Boston on the evening of the 17th, arriving in New York on the morning of the 18th and later Philadelphia in the evening of the same. Upon leaving Philadelphia, Colonel Edward F. Jones, commanding the 6th Massachusetts issued the following order to his men: "The regiment will march through Baltimore in column of sections, arms at will. You will undoubtedly be insulted, abused, and perhaps, assaulted, to which you must pay no attention whatever, but march with your faces square to the front, and pay no attention to the mob, even if they throw stones, bricks, or other missiles; but if you are fired upon and any one of you is hit, your officers will order you to fire. Do not fire into promiscuous crowds, but select any man whom you may see aiming at you and be sure to drop him."

On the morning of the 19th, Federal Military units numbering about 2,000 men in all arrived about 10:00 am in the city of Baltimore, Maryland via the Pennsylvania Wilmington & Baltimore Railroad, enroute for the Nation's Capitol. These troops were soldiers from both Massachusetts and Pennsylvania. The arrival of these troops had apparently gotten by the attention of the local police department in Baltimore up until about an hour prior to their arrival. As the train had pulled into the station these cars had been met by a growing crowd of hostile citizens, sneering, and yelling, shouting, and insulting their newly arrived guests.

The men, still inside the cars had requested permission to open up on the crowd but they had been refused. Shortly there after they had been fired upon and one soldier had taken a wound in the hand. The soldiers inside the cars firing into the crowd, driving their attackers away. The cars upon arrival were immediately attached to a horse team once the locomotive was detached and the cars were driven at a rapid pace across the city. As the cars, containing seven companies, had reached the Washington Depot the tracks behind them had been barracaded leaving the cars which carried the band, Companies C, D, I, and L to fend for themselves. These cars were evacuated and the soldiers forced to proceed by foot across town. They had marched up present day President's Street, made a left onto Pratt Street and continued their march through the heart of downtown approximately ten blocks enroute to the Camden Street Station. The Police Marshall (Kane) was immediately notified and had brought out a large portion of his force to attempt preserving order during their transit through the city. In doing so, he sent a message to the Mayor informing him that he apprehended some disturbance. Mayor George William Brown along with George M. Gill, esq., the counselor of the city climbed into a carriage and hastened to Camden Station. Marshall Kane's force arrived on the scene shortly before the passage of the first cars had made it safely to the Depot, but had noticed that the growing mob was now laying obstuctions across the tracks to prevent what was left from arriving without facing the danger of the gathering crowd. By the time Captain Follansbee's men had disembarked off the train and ordered into line, a crowd of about 10,000 Baltimorians had gathered.

His men were fired upon from rooftops and doorways, forcing the company commander to give the order to "Fire!" His men began receiving hits and the first to fall dead was Charles A. Taylor. He is known to be the first man to have died in the conflict known as the American Civil War. Private Luther Ladd, age seventeen, came from Alexandria, New Hampshire cryed out for the Stars and Stripes as he died. Addison Otis Whitney, age 22, soon fell also.

Whether it be premonition or just a bad gut feeling, Corporal Sumner Needham, when disembarking from the train, collared a friend in short telling him that he'd like his body shipped home in case he didn't make it out of Baltimore alive today. He was correct, he didn't. Corporal Needham was shot by a sniper from above, he lived for another eight days.

Twenty six members of the regiment were wounded that day. Reports put the casualties of the Baltimore citizens at about 100 although nothing had been so clearly reported. The 6th Massachusetts had discharged nearly 1,000 rounds of ammunition on their march across town. The Mayor upon arrival had placed himself at the head of the marching columns with intentions of preventing any difficulties. His presence did little to help however, and the growing hostilities soon forced him to grab hold of a musket and fire one deadly shot into a man in the crowd.

Missiles began to fly injuring some of the transiting soldiers. All along the route the mood of citizen and soldier alike became more intense and repeated conflicts between soldier and citizen resulted in death on both sides. The City Police were informed that another arrival of military had come in and many hastened to the Philadelphia Depot. The mobs had grown so hostile that the marshall could only give the soldiers protection by police force until they could move the cars back out of the city in the direction of Havre De Grace. It was becoming too dangerous to march them through Baltimore. The rioting from citizens in the city that day had caused a meeting of the city council and it had been determined by the Mayor of Baltimore, with the concurrence of the Governor of the state, that no more soldiers from the East or from the North were to pass through Baltimore, Maryland. The railroad bridges leading into the city were destroyed by order of the city causing a few thousand dollars damage to each.

The riot or massacre on that day had caused President Lincoln to take decision action, and ordered a Federal occupation of the city. Fort Federal Hill was built and life in Baltimore was never the same. The Federal troops had trained their artillery pieces on key points in the city of Baltimore such as City Hall and the Mayor's house. When Maryland and the city of Baltimore had plans of meeting for the seccession vote, Lincoln allowed them to meet but if perhaps they did approve of secession the cannon on Fort Federal Hill would begin to bombard and to destroy the city of Baltimore. Afterwards as Lincoln had suspended Habeas Corpus, key members of the city council such as Mayor Brown, city officials such as Police Marshall Kane had been incarcerated at Fort McHenry for holding southern sympathies and held without real charge brought before them. The railroad bridges in and out of the city of Baltimore were manned by Federal Artillery securing the bridges from molestation of any sort. Lincoln was going to hold Maryland in obeyance at all costs. The first human bloodshed had been spilled, the war just beginning, Americans North and South for the first time in their nation's history were about to pay witness to warfare, the likes of which none of their forefathers would have dreamed of.

Got this off a newsgroup.

As uusal, you depend on half truth for your arguments.

Now, it doesn't appear (as I thought) that the mayor of Baltimore was inciting the citizes to riot on this particular day. He was later arrrested for harboring traitorous sentiments.

If you think these types of conditions pertain in the case of Jose Padilla, you need to show it.

Walt

39 posted on 06/25/2002 7:05:32 AM PDT by WhiskeyPapa
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To: billbears
And some wonder why we still fight for rights that were taken almost 150 years ago. Those that do not learn from history ....
40 posted on 06/25/2002 7:06:35 AM PDT by 4CJ
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