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ORTHODOX CHURCH SEES GROWTH, PAINS
Boston Globe ^ | October 19, 1997 | Diego Ribadeneira

Posted on 06/22/2002 10:37:24 PM PDT by Stavka2

Written: Sunday, October 19 1997. Posted: Tuesday, December 02 1997. Section: Articles. Topic: General.
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Article summary:   Orthodox Christianity, whose roots lie in Eastern

Europe, the Middle East, and Russia, is booming in America. And converts

like Byers are a big reason why.

ORTHODOX CHURCH SEES GROWTH, PAINS

By Diego Ribadeneira, Globe Staff Page: B1 Section: Metro Boston Globe

SUNDAY, October 19, 1997 It was the last place Ruth Byers, a lifelong Methodist,

ever thought she'd be, inside a Greek Orthodox Church, the smell of incense

in the air, the walls adorned with Byzantine icons and the congregants chanting

a liturgy unchanged for centuries.

``The music, the art, the prayers -- my soul feels like it belongs here.

Other churches are more into touchy-feely, contemporary services. The Orthodox

liturgy feels more real,'' said Byers, standing on the front steps of

Annunciation Cathedral in Roxbury after Mass one recent Sunday.

Orthodox Christianity, whose roots lie in Eastern Europe, the Middle East,

and Russia, is booming in America. And converts like Byers are a big reason

why.

An increasing number of Americans with no ethnic ties to the faith are making

a spiritual journey into Orthodox Christianity, which now numbers about 250,000

congregants in Greater Boston. The 1.5 million-member Greek Orthodox church

in America is by far the largest Orthodox group in this country.

The profile of Orthodox Christianity, which has faced divisions recently

over the direction of its leadership, will be raised even higher today when

Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew, spiritual leader of the world's 300 million

Orthodox since 1991, arrives in the United States for a monthlong, 16-city

tour. His trip includes a three-day stop in Boston Oct. 28-30.

While the itinerary for the patriarch's first visit to America is filled

with speeches, dinners, and meetings, including one with President Clinton,

Orthodox insiders say his main objective is to reinforce the patriarch's

authority over American Orthodox and urge greater unity among the church's

sometimes fractious ethnic groups.

Locally, disagreements within the American church over the influence of church

leadership abroad came to the forefront last year when Bartholomew forced

the resignation of Archbishop Iakovos, the leader of the Greek Orthodox church

in America for 37 years who led the efforts to unite American Orthodox churches.

Bartholomew, Orthodox insiders say, does want the 13 ethnic American Orthodox

churches to unite -- but under his control. Iakovos, Bartholomew feared,

was leading American Orthodox churches away from the orbit of Istanbul, the

seat of the ecumenical patriarch since the early days of Christianity.

Iakovos's successor in the United States, Archbishop Spyridon, has gotten

off to a controversial start since he took over last year. Critics in the

church say he is an authoritarian leader who is undermining the independence

of the Greek Orthodox church in America.

Spyridon, in turn, has decried an ``invasion of the so-called secular, democratic

spirit into the church.''

Beyond these pulls and tugs over leadership, in recent years hundreds of

new Orthodox parishes have sprouted nationwide, most of them to cater to

converts who relish the faith's traditionalism. Converts are changing the

face of Orthodox Christianity and bringing a faith with a 200-year history

in this country out of the shadows and into the mainstream of American religious

life.

There are an estimated 5 million Orthodox in the United States.

``Finally, after being a fairly obscure player for too long, Orthodox

Christianity is now poised to emerge as a powerful force on the religious

landscape,'' said the Rev. Daniel Harlotian, pastor of St. Mary's Orthodox

Church in Springfield. ``The patriarch's visit . . . is probably the most

important event in the history of the Orthodox Church in America.''

The flourishing of Orthodoxy among Americans is a source of optimism in the

church, a faith with ancient traditions and historic roots tracing directly

back to St. Andrew, one of Jesus's 12 disciples. Christian tradition says

Andrew was the first of the apostles to accept Jesus's teachings and take

them out of Palestine to Greece and beyond.

Many converts are conservative Protestants who had grown disenchanted with

what they perceived to be their former denominations' liberal tilt, particularly

the ordination of women and greater acceptance of gays and lesbians.

``It seemed like the church I grew up in has become more rested in social

and political causes than in teaching the faith,'' said Larry Sampson, who

left an Episcopal church to worship in an Orthodox church in Hartford.

``Our church doesn't encourage change just for the sake of change,'' said

the Rev. Elias Velonis, pastor of St. Luke's Greek Orthodox Church in East

Longmeadow, where as many as one-fourth of the 283 families are converts.

  `We still have our backs to the people when we celebrate the Eucharist,

for example. Our liturgies are still chanted.''

Monica Kapurs, who attends Holy Cross Orthodox Church in Worcester, said,

``The smells, the sounds, make it a mystical experience. It's not for the

MTV generation and that's what I like about it.''

Like the Roman Catholic Church, from which it split in the 11th century over

the power of the papacy, Orthodox Christianity opposes abortion, divorce

and homosexual acts. But Orthodoxy does allow married men to be ordained,

and does not prohibit the use of artificial birth control. It holds Bartholomew

to be ``first among equals,'' but not infallible, as Catholics consider the

pope to be.

Many Orthodox bristle at Bartholomew's attempts to rein in American Orthodox

churches that he and other church leaders believe have become too smitten

with Western notions of democracy.

What caused perhaps the most outrage among many church members locally was

Spyridon's firing in July of the president and three faculty members at Hellenic

College and Holy Cross School of Theology in Brookline, which is affiliated

with the Greek Archdiocese.

Critics charge that the four priests were fired for refusing to cover up

an alleged sexual assault. Spyridon said the firings were the consequence

of long-running personal and academic disputes.

Bishop Methodios, who heads the Diocese of Boston and is a defender of Spyridon,

is among Orthodox Christian leaders who bemoan the lack of unity among the

13 US Orthodox jurisidictions, which include Russian, Ukrainian, Albanian,

and other Orthodox churches.

``It's frustrating, because united we would have such a powerful voice in

this     country,'' Methodios said. ``Many of us hope that the

patriarch's visit will be a giant step forward toward Orthodox unity.''


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KEYWORDS: america; christianity; growth; orthodox
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1 posted on 06/22/2002 10:37:25 PM PDT by Stavka2
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This would be an excellent area to explore since the Episcopal Church turned left and left me behind. I wonder if any Roman Catholics will be exploring this also. I have toyed with the idea of become a Roman Catholic (half of my family is); but with all the scandals, I feel I would be going into another unhappy situation.
3 posted on 06/23/2002 6:34:07 AM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
become = becoming
4 posted on 06/23/2002 6:36:34 AM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
I'm a catholic who has recently become dis-enchanted with the church. I've been brewing for quite some time over a variety of policies of the church, and the scandal may be the straw that breaks the camel's back. I've investigated Protestant denominations....the mainline churches are total basket-cases (I might as well go back to college freshman orientation...the PC propaganda is less blatant there). The fundamentalist protestant churches just don't do it for me...too big of a culture gap from the catholic church. Orthodoxy just may be the ticket. Most Orthodox I know are very happy with their churches.
5 posted on 06/23/2002 6:44:07 AM PDT by quebecois
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To: quebecois
Thank you for your comments. I agree with your assessments. I personally wouldn’t feel comfortable with a fundamentalist protestant church either because it would also be a big cultural gap for me. I prefer something more formal and without all those touchy feelings that some churches have. There is an Orthodox Church not far from where I live. I must go and explore it.
6 posted on 06/23/2002 7:30:54 AM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: Stavka2
American wishy-washies should love the Orthodox Church. They allow masturbation, sanction divorce, and permit birth control. But they didn't always. Don't be fooled by this "ancient" stuff.
7 posted on 06/23/2002 10:24:19 AM PDT by Conservative til I die
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To: Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
Try the Eastern Rite Catholic Churches. They allow marriage, have very old school, pious Masses, yet are still Catholic.
8 posted on 06/23/2002 10:25:28 AM PDT by Conservative til I die
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To: quebecois
Try visiting an Eastern Rite Catholic Church in your area. They allow married priests, have a very pious, old school Mass, yet are still Catholic.
9 posted on 06/23/2002 10:26:28 AM PDT by Conservative til I die
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To: Conservative til I die
The Catholic church didn't always forbid its priests from getting married, nor did it always ban abortion....you might be surprised to find out that several Popes contridicted themselves. As for us using birth control, that is because marriage is not simply to breed like a bunch of animals. You are still required to have children, a sacrement of marriage, and adopt if you can't physically. Masterbation? Will that make me blind? Or worship the devil? As for Evangelicals, they change their minds with the wind and subdivide with the speed of single celled animals into more and more branches...30,000+ and counting.

So, I won't be fooled by the "ancientness" since I do research, and you don't get fooled by your own self righteousness.

10 posted on 06/23/2002 10:38:08 AM PDT by Stavka2
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To: Conservative til I die
Yup, allow priests to marry...boy isn't that hypocritical of them. So they basically try to keep the old church way, while siding with those who broke the church in the first place? You criticize the Orthodox, as you've done on each of the posts I've made about Orthodoxy, but you ignore the looming problems of Rome: Here, let me help you remember...

HOMOSEXUAL PRIESTS

Why don't you fix your own problems first before going on the attack on us? That whole judgement thing out of Mathews.

11 posted on 06/23/2002 10:44:00 AM PDT by Stavka2
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The flourishing of Orthodoxy among Americans is a source of optimism in the church, a faith with ancient traditions and historic roots tracing directly back to St. Andrew, one of Jesus's 12 disciples.

I am and belong to the Russian Orthodox church, and yes, it is so very true. The ancient smells of frankinsence & myrh, and the ancient hymns that were the actual hymns of the apolstles, does actually make your " soul" just know, this is where you belong. I have been quite surprised at just how many parishoners that have converted from RC, Methodist etc. to the Orthodox faith. It truly is an experience that moves your very soul. Nothing has changed for thousands of yrs. in the Orthodox church.

12 posted on 06/23/2002 1:01:12 PM PDT by DreamWeaver
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To: Stavka2
Jesus supported divorce? Jesus supported onanism? Jesus supported birth control. Why don't you follow Jesus's lead? Hey, we got a gay priest problem, a crisis even. But at least we admit it's a problem, instead of taking pride and boasting about going against Jesus. Hell, you might as well take the plunge and sanction abortion.

BTW, cry me a river. The Orthodox are regularly the biggest disruptors on Catholic threads. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
13 posted on 06/23/2002 2:56:10 PM PDT by Conservative til I die
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To: Stavka2
The Eastern Rite Catholics are OK because they submit to the will of the Pope. As you yourself said, marriage is not always forbidden amongst our priests. I have no problem with Eastern Rite priests and Episcopalian and Lutheran convert priests married. Why? Because I trust the decisions of the Popes and the various Councils. They do what they do for a reason, and because the Holy Spirit is watching over it all, I trust their decisions.
14 posted on 06/23/2002 2:58:41 PM PDT by Conservative til I die
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To: DreamWeaver
Nothing has changed for thousands of yrs. in the Orthodox church.

Except the Church deciding to endorse and sanction divorce, adultery (by allowing divorced persons to remarry), and birth control.
15 posted on 06/23/2002 3:00:04 PM PDT by Conservative til I die
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To: Conservative til I die
Thank you for your comments. I have also thought of the Eastern Rite Catholic Church. Unfortunately, though, we don't have one in Panama. Because there aren't any, the Eastern Rite Catholics tend to gravitate to the Roman Catholic Church.
16 posted on 06/23/2002 3:18:40 PM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: Conservative til I die
Well gander, please point out the part about 1. birth control not being allowed in the Bible. 2. priests having to be married 3. The patriarch of Rome being the over lord and infallable at that of the whole of the Church...might I remind you that this is the same Overlord who lovingly kissed the Koran, while hobnobbing with Pagans at a UN "religion" conference and elevated Islam to the same level as Christianity....oh so holy of him. By the way, really loved that whole flap about Purgetory and having to pay the priests to pray your relatives out of it and the sale of indulgences....also, please refresh my mind gandor, where in the Bible did it give the patriach of Rome the right to command troops, reign as a sovereign, collect personal taxes, etc, etc....this should be interesting.
17 posted on 06/24/2002 6:42:54 AM PDT by Stavka2
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To: Conservative til I die
Yes, but unlike you Catholics, we do not allow the Catholic to marry a none Christian...hell, I've seen Catholics marry none baptised Atheists in Catholic churchs....the same Churchs that give out communion at the doors as people are leaving. We at least still recognize the sacrement of marriage as something holy enough only for baptised Christians, not any hohum who happens up the road. Roast that one.
18 posted on 06/24/2002 6:45:47 AM PDT by Stavka2
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To: Stavka2
Second Catholic should be Orthodox
19 posted on 06/24/2002 6:47:19 AM PDT by Stavka2
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To: Conservative til I die
You sound bitter, and need to do more research.

Most of the "Roman Catholics" my own age I have ever known have NOT had any problem getting a divorce in the Roman Catholic church and getting remarried. They just call it an "annulment". I think they would be surprised you are calling them all adulterers. Where is youe Christian compassion for your fellow Roman Catholics?

PS. We consider that only the Orthodox Catholic Church is "catholic" (i.e having the fulness of the Faith), and you aren't entitled to use the word "Catholic" as though you owned it.

20 posted on 06/24/2002 5:12:52 PM PDT by wildandcrazyrussian
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