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To: discostu
I still say the back end was involved in the original 8 week production time, along with things like spec review and design which tends to drag things out a bit.

You appear to have been correct, and I was incorrect in this one detail.

But I was still right about the point -- what was done in ASP could have been done better or faster in Java, but he was working for an MS-only shop and prevented from using a better solution if it wasn't an MS product.

What took 1 week in ASP could have been done better in Java or ASP.NET in 1 day -- what it actually took to do it in ASP.NET, which does indeed develop as fast as Java. It still seems clear that he was paid to use an inferior MS solution when a better, non-MS solution was available, and eventually had to upgrade that solution. But he was not allowed to upgrade until MS had made something better.

So you were right about the one detail -- it wasn't 8 weeks of work that should have taken a day, it was 1 week of work that should have taken a day. I did misunderstand that one part of the estimate. As I made clear to you, I was only talking about the ASP part, and asked him that specifically. I apparently misunderstood when he said it took 8 weeks, and thought he was referring to the piece that was replaced in a few hours, as he said. His original statement was led me awry, and I missed that.

Now I wonder, are you likewise willing to admit where you were wrong about the main debate point?

Or are you only worried about the small things, and not the big ones?

The funniest thing here is, I am *trying* to be positive about .NET here in this thread. But you folks have made the entire thread an attack on me. I think, looking back, I've been polite and honest. I've even been up-beat on .NET.

I think .NET is a good, new tech. Both Java and ASP.NET beats the heck out of the old ASP. C# is the best MS technology yet for web development.

But the interesting thing about the MS-only crowd is how they won't allow me to even qualify my support with caution. Their defensive reaction makes me think .NET may be in some trouble I'm unaware of. Salesmen who are confident in a product usually can't wait to talk your ear off giving you details about their product.

You can't have missed how they're attacking any suggestion that a brand new tech like .NET has issues. I haven't said one negative thing about .NET here in this thread, have I?

I do, indeed, feel Java is better. Is that opinion just not allowed in your world? I do feel that .NET is good. I've been very, very clear.

Is that just not pro-.NET enough for you? Is it necessary to be a complete cheerleader, in your mind?

I'm not here selling anything -- especially not my own brilliance. I'm here asking questions, and trying to encourage people to look into .NET.

They *are* here selling .NET, and as such are making promises about .NET that are unsubstantiated. I am only asking them *about* those promises, asking for some sort of subastatiation beyond press releases.

I'll be interested to see your response. I've been polite, honest and forthright. It appears you've been anything but, up until now.

100 posted on 06/24/2002 8:07:47 PM PDT by Dominic Harr
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To: Dominic Harr
What took 1 week in ASP could have been done better in Java or ASP.NET in 1 day -- what it actually took to do it in ASP.NET, which does indeed develop as fast as Java. It still seems clear that he was paid to use an inferior MS solution when a better, non-MS solution was available, and eventually had to upgrade that solution. But he was not allowed to upgrade until MS had made something better.

This is one of the reasons why people around here have so little respect for you: You don't even know the guy's application and you're making general statements that you simply can't back up. And then you feign indignation and pull that "everybody knows ..." crap.
107 posted on 06/24/2002 8:55:52 PM PDT by Bush2000
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