Microsoft .Net software's hidden cost

Yahoo ^ | Sat Jun 22,11:11 AM ET | Joe Wilcox

[discostu]

Dude, you're so far out there in nevernever land that not even a pair of ruby slippers can bring you back... I think that's a mixed mataphor. you clearly still haven't read a single post in that thread past #2. Tell me what post number did B2K have and what posts responded to him.

And as for your "example" that's not what you say. You say "no *honest* assessment would use X" you say "you've been duped by MS". There's such a big gigantic difference between what you actually say and what you think you say it's really no surprise at all you get so much flak.

[Dominic Harr]

you clearly still haven't read a single post in that thread past #2.

I not only read it, I posted specific responses to each one, above.

Not one flame, yet you called them all flames.

And you blow off the fact that the entire point of the thread was trolling, and that the only one to insult was a MS-only person insulting all mac-heads.

And when someone suggests that other techs could have saved you time and money, and that you made a mistake believing certain untrue claims, you are NOT being insulted. Unless you're so pathetically sensitive that you can't stand any suggestion that you ever make a mistake . . .

This is such obvious stuff, it's a wonder I have to even discuss this with you!

I'm 5' 9", 250 pounds. If someone says to me, "did you know that you're fat, and that's going to kill you?", I don't get all huffy and scream and storm off. If I did, that would indicate that I had issues about my weight.

That would be an indication of something wrong with ME. Not the person who was just honest.

This is great! I was wondering if I was insane or if you were just totally, blindly partisan.

That answer is now *very* clear.

Both!

[discostu]

YOU'RE NOT SUGGESTING YOU'RE INSUTLTING AND I'M SICK OF IT AND I'M SICK OF YOU GET BENT GO AWAY IF YOU'RE NOT GONNA LISTEN THEN DON'T FREAKING REPLY.

[Dominic Harr]

GO AWAY

Fascinating:

You show up in a thread I posted, with no intention of discussing the topic at hand, waste massive amounts of bandwidth clogging up the thread with tiny, imagined slights that have *nothing* to do with the topic, and now shout at *me* to go away.

If you're not enjoying a thread, then don't post to it. If you don't want to be in this conversation anymore, then go somewhere else.

Do you know the definition of a 'disruptor'?

You've been playing the part perfectly.

[discostu]

You're driving me insane. It's impossible to have a conversation with someone that thinks calling someone a liability to their company is a "polite suggestion" and Windows to Mac is a desperate attempt to start a flame war.

And I HAVE posted on topic, and you ignored it.

If you could learn to apologize for being rude all of this would have ended Monday with no disruption to your precious thread.

[Dominic Harr]

If you could learn to apologize for being rude all of this would have ended Monday with no disruption to your precious thread.

MS-only folks call names and issue direct flames, but you only ask for an apology when a non-MS techie suggests that there was a way someone could have saved time and money.

Convenient.

You were specifically here to disrupt the thread. You've tried, and apparently failed. And now you've been called out on it, and your bias has been completely exposed and documented thru multiple threads.

So you get angry and shout at me.

Brilliant. Very instructive about you and your posts.

[discostu]

No, I came here to read. In the process I was inspired to make 1 post, not even to you, the first post in months I made on any thread you started or had already joined. You responded to that thead and have spent the whole week incapable of admitting the slightest error. You're disrupting it babs.

And I'm not upset that you pointed out alternatives. I'm upset with HOW you did it. There are good ways to make a suggestion and bad ways to make a suggestion. You could write the bible on bad ways to make a suggestion. Do you really expect someone to listen to your seggestion if it starts off by calling them a liability to their company?

[Dominic Harr]

You're disrupting it babs.

I'm disrupting my own thread?

Heehee.

Did I ask you to come in here and obsessively argue about some tiny little insignificant comment? Now it's not even your own fault you spent so much time disrupting the purpose of this thread. It's *my* fault you disrupted the thread.

I wonder -- are MS-only folks *ever* responsible for their actions in your world? Are they ever in the wrong for calling names, flaming, disrupting, trolling?

Nah, you always claim it's everyone else's fault.

When you have a problem with everyone, and they don't have problems with anyone else -- you're the problem.

Personally, I am enjoying this discussion. But then again, I also loved talking to Ds about how guilty Mr. Clinton was of abusing power, too.

I am fascinated by the potential of human denial.

If you're not enjoying proving how far MS-only denial is capable of going, then stop posting!

Or -- here's a thought -- try a little objectivity. Try just once noticing the flames and name-calling by MS-only folks. Try asking *them* for an apology of a direct insult. Maybe then, I'd be a little more interested in "apologizing" for simply talking tech.

[discostu]

Did I ask you to even reply to my post to Jeeves? As a matter of fact did I not specifically request a few months ago that you never reply to me about anything ever? How am I responsible for your behavior?

[Dominic Harr]

Did I ask you to even reply to my post to Jeeves?

You came in here talking *about* me, and now claim that it's my fault I responded to you?

Funny.

You made *me* the topic, from your very first post to this thread.

YOU disrupted. YOU came in here, and started a conversation dissing ME personally. NO mention of the topic, just me. Now you feign innocence, and can't admit you are a disruptor.

And try to blame everyone else. Asking non-MS techies for apologies for simple discussions, while never asking an MS-only poster for an apology even when they call names like "moron".

I'm a jerk. Mac-heads and Linux folks and -- everyone else is to blame.

It's everyone else's fault. Of course it is.

Jeez.

[discostu]

I said I thought it was rude of you to shave somebody's dev time estimate when you knew JS about the project. BFD. That comment doesn't deserve the level of defense you're giving it. You could have apologized, heck you could have said it was a freaking typo 1 and 2 are right next to each other. But you can't admit to any form of error. So instead you have to spend 4 days insisting it's eveybody else's fault. Get over yourself. You're not that interesting, you're not that smart, and what I flushed down the toilet this morning knows more about etiquette.

[Dominic Harr]

You could have apologized, heck you could have said it was a freaking typo 1 and 2 are right next to each other.

Or I could have pointed out that I was right, according to his claim, and he could have then backed off and admitted his claim was bogus and issue a correction.

Oh, what, that *is* what happened.

And the bottom line, again, is you came in here specifically to dis me to someone else. Your first post here was a slight to me, about me, that you didn't even have the courage to say it to my face, so to speak. And now you feign innocence.

Pure disruptor.

And have spent a ton of screen realestate doing so.

But I do thank you, these bumps are at least keeping the thread's title in plain view. Maybe I can get an actual .NET developer to give a few specifics, this way!

[discostu]

Not the 8 week thing. This all started when Jeeves said it would take 2 weeks to do in Java and you shaved it down to 1. That was the first post. Then you went on all day about how you knew enough from post 17 to be able to code the project yourself in 2 days, which was clearly insane because we knew nothing about the app (we still don't know enough to start coding, but we know enough to spec the the thing, then code our own version). And you could have written the whole thing off from minute 1 as a typo.

Again get off your high horse. When I clicked on the link you're name wasn't on the to or from of the latest post. I came here to read. Then I saw your name and almost turned back, but I read it anyway no longer looking for information but now looking for a laugh. Then you cut the guy's estimate in half and I was pissed. Then I posted to point out your attitude of Harr knows best. And I almost didn't, I knew you'd get all freaky. But I said "dammit I have just as much right to post on tech threads as Harr, this exile ends today". And look at this, you're all upity about something that could even have been a typo (gosh I'm so nice, still giving you easy ways to back out and be a gentleman). I don't need to "dis" you. You do a fine job of embarrassing yourself without external help.

[Dominic Harr]

Not the 8 week thing.

He specifically said something that took 8 weeks coding and testing in ASP might have taken him 2 weeks to redo in Java. He then described the project in detail, and I said that with my experience I think he could have achieved that functionality in 1 week, and I could probably have done it in a day or 2.

He then said the actual coding and testing in ASP was only 1 week, not the 8 he had originally claimed. Which alone proves his "estimate" in Java of 2 weeks was wildly inaccurate.

And also shows is original claim "Something I coded and tested in 8 weeks in regular ASP was migrated without error in 8 hours!" to be bogus.

And then you came in here and only posted about me, dissing me to someone else, afraid to even do it to my face.

Give me just a little objectivity here. If someone comes into a room, like you did, and in front of you says something bad *about* you to someone else, can you really not see what that means about the person doing the dissing?

It's beautiful! You came in here disrupting the thread, turning the conversation from it's original topic of .NET to a conversation about me.

Classic disruptor techniques.

[discostu]

And now the circle is complete. We're back at Monday morning's arguement. Well we all know what's gonna happen next. Really no reason to rehash. It's like the Flash Gordon animated series.

Se ya round.

[Dominic Harr]

Just consider:

MY estimate of him taking 1 week to build that functionality, based on his complete description, turned out to be dead on right.

He *admitted* he only spent 1 week coding and testing it.

I was *right*. His estimate was wrong.

But you feel I was insulting him by providing and accurate estimate?

No, you don't, do you. This is all about attacking a non-MS techie, isn't it.

[discostu]

Good day.

[Dominic Harr]

Just consider:

My correction of his estimate was accurate. He even admitted it.

Yet you call it an "insult". While ignoring the insults and name-calling from the MS-only bench.

Next time, if you have something to say about someone, say it *to* them. Talk about rude . . . your first post was a classic "don't do this because it's rude" kind of thing.

But no, you only want *me* to apologize. Being an MS-only dev means never having to admit you're sorry.

[discostu]

I said good day.

[Dominic Harr]

Can you not even admit that my estimate, the one you felt was so "rude" to offer, was correct?

According to him?

I was *right*. You and he were wrong.

Do you care?