Posted on 06/22/2002 10:38:28 AM PDT by RCW2001
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By JONATHAN TILOVE c.2002 Newhouse News Service |
Beys Afroyim was a radical modernist painter. Shawn Pine is an expert in military intelligence. What they have in common, aside from being Jewish, is that both were dual citizens of the United States and Israel who, in turn, defined the possibilities and limits of dual citizenship in America.
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Jews have always been considered by some to be untrustworthy to their country, even before Israel was founded. Now with the creation of Israel, this canard is supposed to gain legitimacy? I don't think so.
The topic of dual nationality has been decided by the US Supreme Court. Nationality is simply a matter of law.
According to US law, a person born in the USA, or born to American citizens in a foreign land is an American. According to French law, a person born in France or to a French citizen is French. A Jewish person can acquire Israeli citizenship no matter where he/she is born. As you can infer, it is very easy to acquire dual citizenship, or even triple or quadruple citizenships. A Jewish person born on US soil to a French father is born with 3 nationalities which are his for the taking, and this is sanctioned by the US Supreme Court rulings.
I fail to understand all this hysteria and hatred at times on FR about having more than one passport. It is legal; it is a measure of safety (yes, it can save your life); and it simplifies traveling. It has nothing to do with lack of love for America or whatever it's suppose to do to one's brain.
The reason was to make it easier to dispose of anyone trying to protest the Soviet Union at the Moscow olympics
Question:
Isn't there something inherently unethical about being a dual citizen? I mean, how can you be a loyal American and at the same time owe allegiance to another country? "No man can serve two masters", and all that.
Answer:
This is a question of political philosophy, which I won't presume to argue. The fact remains, though, that the Supreme Court has ruled dual citizenship is legal -- and Congress has amended the Immigration and Nationality Act to reflect that reality -- and the State Department now finally appears to be at peace with the concept as well -- so it's now a firmly entrenched part of the law of the land.
I spoke unclearly. What I mean is that if one voluntarily EXERCISES any aspect of those "birth citizenships" while an American citizen, one should LOSE that American citizenship. You are either a loyal American, or you aren't. FI, an American citizen (Jewish) who serves in the Israeli army under his "dual" citizenship, or a Mexican US citizen who nonetheless votes in the Mexican elections under THEIR "dual" citizenship. Hatred has zip to do with it.
The government has done a lot of stuff that is both wrong and stupid.
You can lose your citizenship, but you have to practically renounce it, in writing, on foreign soil, to lose it. They couldn't even strip Jihad Johnny Walker of his citizenship for his acts.
According to the USA, whatever the USA does that is ruled legal by the US Supreme Court is neither wrong or stupid but perfectly legal. Maybe that is wrong and stupid, too... but that's just the way it is for now.
The issue is why any nation would tolerate large numbers - or any number - of aliens from hostile societies living within its borders. That means why Washington allows any Iranians, Arabs, or other Moslems at all to have visas or to remain.
I say:
Again, among frequently asked questions about voting when one is a dual citizen, read the following:
Question:
I am a dual US/Canadian citizen by birth. I was once told that if I ever voted in either an American or a Canadian election, I would lose citizenship in the other country. Is this true?
Answer:
No. Neither US nor Canadian citizenship law says anything about losing citizenship as a result of voting in an election in another country.
Note that US law used to mandate loss of US citizenship for voting in a foreign election. However, this provision was struck down by the Supreme Court in Afroyim v. Rusk and was repealed by Congress in 1978.
Canada's current Citizenship Act (in force since 1977) says nothing at all about voting in foreign elections and loss of citizenship. If you are a citizen of some country other than Canada, of course, you will need to check the laws of that country in order to find out if you could endanger your citizenship in that country by voting in a US election.
Incidentally, US citizens living abroad (whether or not they happen to be dual citizens) should be aware that they may be legally entitled to vote in US federal elections. Even if you have not had any residential ties to the US for years and have no plans to return, you may still vote in federal elections based on your last place of residence before moving away from the US. In such cases, federal law prohibits your former state from declaring you a resident for state tax purposes simply because you have exercised this right to vote in a federal election. For more information on how to register and vote from outside the US, contact the nearest US embassy or consulate, or visit the Web site of the Federal Voting Assistance Program at www.fvap.ncr.gov.
Now with this Islam is peace bull, while we know any muslim can enter any muslim country and serve it, we are in a difficult situation.
Pretty heady words bucko. Judicial creation of new law is only as "....firmly entrenched...." as the composition of the next series of appointees who think themselves supreme.
Actually, when you consider which has the greater positive impact on America:
- the kind of manure created by all three branches of government, and
- the kind of manure created by cows and horses
You've got to admit America is better off relying on cows and horses.
Heres more:
Question:
But doesn't serving in a foreign army result in automatic loss of US citizenship?
Answer:
No. As explained above, essentially nothing causes automatic loss of US citizenship any more. If you join a foreign army, you can lose your US citizenship if you acted with the intent of giving it up. Otherwise, you can still keep it.
Current US law says that foreign military service will result in loss of US citizenship if the person served as an officer (commissioned or non-commissioned) or the foreign military force is engaged in hostilities against the US; the service was voluntary; and (most importantly) the person intended to give up his US citizenship.
Current US policy goes further. Unless a dual citizen is serving in a "policy level position" in a foreign government, commits treason against the US (e.g., by fighting the US voluntarily during wartime), or acts in a manner considered totally inconsistent with any possible intent to keep US citizenship, the State Department is unlikely to take any action. Further, the current policy statement on foreign military service recognizes that dual citizens sometimes find themselves legally obligated to participate in the military forces of their other country of citizenship, and can do so in such situations without endangering their US status.
Are you talking about American Jews being considered untrustworthy to America, or is "country" in this case an "insert country name here" case?
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There is no question in my mind that America has been the greatest nation to the Jewish people (and to just about any other people) in all time throughout the world, but even the tendency to distrust them permeates segments of American culture.
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