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Carobou Coffee Follow-up (Islamic bank owns other companies)
Country Store ^ | June 19, 2002 | Cracker Barrel Philosopher

Posted on 06/19/2002 12:10:29 PM PDT by RippleFire

Follow-ups: The Instapundit caught Debbie Schlussel's NY Post column on the Caribou coffee flap that sums things up very well.

So it's a coffee war: Starbucks, headed by a man who condemns terrorism and decries anti-Semitism, versus its nearest rival, Caribou, owned by a company whose investments are cleared by a cleric who cheers terrorism.
In these parts you can get coffee here at the store and Thelma's Country Kitchen, so we don't get to play in the coffee wars, but when we play, we play to win. So I have to point out that the First Islamic Bank owns some other US companies:
WaterMark Paddlesports, Inc.
"WaterMark is a holding company for two of the leading kayak manufacturers in the US: Perception, Inc. and Dagger, Inc. Perception, Inc. is the largest manufacturer of kayaks in the US with revenue of approximately $20 million, which represents approximately 10% of the US paddle sports market (kayaks, canoes, paddles and other accessories)."

DVT Corporation
"DVT is the price/performance leader in the machine vision systems industry. Machine vision systems are used to inspect products and control machines such as robots and packaging machinery. DVT develops, manufactures and markets inspection devices for many of the world’s most prominent manufacturers including General Motors, Ford, Nissan, Allied Signal and 3-M; technology companies such as IBM and Motorola; as well as consumer products companies such as SmithKline Beecham, Procter & Gamble, Nabisco, Kraft Foods and H.J. Heinz."

B.R. Lee Industries

"Lee Industries, operating under the “LeeBoy” brand name, is the leading manufacturer of commercial paving equipment in North America."

Transportation Safety Technologies, Inc.

"TST is a manufacturer of specialty electrical components and safety products for the automotive, truck and emergency vehicles industries in the United States. One of TST’s most promising products is the patented SCAN™ obstacle detection system ("ODS")."

Cirrus Industries, Inc.

"Cirrus is the third largest manufacturer of single-engine, piston-powered, general aviation aircraft in the world."

Medifax EDI

"Medifax EDI is a leading provider of information processing services to the health care industry in the United States, processing over 140 million transactions per year for more than 120,000 customers."
And then there's their Real Estate Investments and their Asset Management of "Islamically acceptable assets". What's good for Caribou should be good for all.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: caribou; islamists
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Nothing like an Islamically acceptable investment!
1 posted on 06/19/2002 12:10:29 PM PDT by RippleFire
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To: RippleFire
Of course the title should have Caribou instead of Carobou.
2 posted on 06/19/2002 12:13:55 PM PDT by RippleFire
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To: RippleFire
Bump for later.
3 posted on 06/19/2002 12:42:08 PM PDT by Bikers4Bush
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To: RippleFire
So, there is a "Christian" stock exchange, and several "Christian" mutual funds. What's your point?
4 posted on 06/19/2002 12:45:35 PM PDT by Illbay
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To: Illbay
The issue is the head honcho that determines Islamic acceptability for the bank. From Schlussel's article:

Al-Qaradawi heads the Shari'ah (Islamic religious law) Supervisory Board of First Islamic Investment Bank, which owns 87.8 percent of Caribou. (First Islamic's directors and officers are mainly Saudi sheiks.)

In a religious fatwah (decree) urging a boycott of all Israeli and U.S. goods, he wrote, "Now we see our brothers and children in Al-Aqsa and the blessed land of Palestine generously sacrificing their blood, giving their souls willingly in the way of Allah. All Muslims must help them with whatever power they have."

The Egyptian newspaper Al-Ahram also reports that Al-Qaradawi denies "that bin Laden should give himself up," and opposes "taking part in the U.S. coalition against [sic] Afghanistan."

In yet another religious edict on "the enemies of Islam," he attacks "the U.S.A. and . . . the world Jewish community. Jihad is obligatory."


5 posted on 06/19/2002 1:00:05 PM PDT by RippleFire
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To: RippleFire
So you think that because this guy is flaky, he should have no right to be in business or what? I'm afraid you're not making yourself clear, at least to me.

If you don't like the guy's politics, then don't buy his stuff. There's stuff I don't buy for that same reason (e.g. "Ben & Jerry's" ice cream). Sounds like a very simple solution to me.

6 posted on 06/19/2002 1:08:10 PM PDT by Illbay
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To: RippleFire
I say we boycott Medifax EDI.

The fact that I compete with them has absolutely nothing to do with it.

7 posted on 06/19/2002 1:11:36 PM PDT by Britton J Wingfield
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To: RippleFire
All-

Anyone out there know how much gubmint money Cirrus got when they came to Duluth MN.,and,how involved was Wellstone in the deal?

I'm not search lazy,I'm just at,um,work.....

8 posted on 06/19/2002 1:14:38 PM PDT by Minnesoootan
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To: Illbay
So, there is a "Christian" stock exchange, and several "Christian" mutual funds. What's your point?

Christians don't blow themselves up attempting to kill all who disagree with them. How silly of you to ask such a question in the context of the ongoing war on terrorism!

You sound much like an islamist sympathizer. We are at war with islamists;, perhaps you should consider what has happened, historically, in times of war to those who "sympathize" with the enemy!!

On the other hand, perhaps I misinterpretted your remarks. If so, what's YOUR point?

9 posted on 06/19/2002 1:26:06 PM PDT by mil-vet
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To: mil-vet
Christians don't blow themselves up attempting to kill all who disagree with them.

Some do, of course. Eric Rudolph certainly didn't have any qualms about shooting some guy for God. And the Montana Freemen certainly had no problem with guns and ammo, nor did the Koresh followers.

OTOH, my neighbors down the street, who are Muslim, seem ill-disposed toward strapping on the TNT.

Your stereotype is just hogwash, that's MY point.

10 posted on 06/19/2002 1:47:05 PM PDT by Illbay
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To: Illbay
Bravo!
11 posted on 06/19/2002 1:54:20 PM PDT by stanz
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To: Illbay
Christians don't blow themselves up attempting to kill all who disagree with them.

Some do, of course.

BS! Islam is THE problem, not christianity or judaism or anybody else. Until all those who raise their kids to be homicide bombers are eradicated, and these people exist ONLY within islam, there will be no peace.

You clearly have an agenda which denies reality, so I'm outta here and you're left with your pathetic lack of self esteem.

Have a nice eternity!

12 posted on 06/19/2002 1:58:30 PM PDT by mil-vet
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To: RippleFire
Cirrus Industries, Inc.

Noooo!!!! Say it isn't so! Are you sure about this? I thought Cirrus was partnered with an Israeli company.

13 posted on 06/19/2002 2:39:50 PM PDT by GBA
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To: RippleFire
They own industrial distribution facilities.

Convenient.

14 posted on 06/19/2002 7:03:42 PM PDT by NativeNewYorker
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To: Illbay
OTOH, my neighbors down the street, who are Muslim, seem ill-disposed toward strapping on the TNT.

They may be. But statistically Muslims are more likely than any other religious group to blow other people up because they hate them for their religion.

They also are more likely to excuse doing it as well. Kind of like you seem to want to do.

15 posted on 06/20/2002 8:02:01 AM PDT by liberalism=failure
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To: liberalism=failure
But statistically Muslims are more likely than any other religious group to blow other people up because they hate them for their religion.

That might be (right now), but I can't somehow bring myself to condemn "Islam" and all who follow that religion because of a few kooks. Might as well say "let's destroy Germany," because statistically Germans are more likely than any other nationality to commit mass murder.

16 posted on 06/20/2002 8:30:50 AM PDT by Illbay
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To: liberalism=failure
It's either blow up or be blown up yourself. Which end do you prefere?

There is a big difference between Muslims and Non-muslims: Muslims demand that only Muslims be allowed to live.

17 posted on 06/20/2002 8:37:46 AM PDT by joyful1
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To: Illbay
A quiz

1. In 1968 who assassinated Robert Kennedy?
a. Abbe Hoffman
b. Tiny Tim
c. Charles Manson
d. Muslim male extremist between the age of 17 and 40

2. In 1972 at the Munich Olympics, athletes were kidnapped and massacred
by:
a. Olga Korbut
b. Sitting Bull
c. Arnold Schwartzenegger
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

3. In 1979, the U. S. Embassy in Iran was taken over by:
a. Lost Norwegians
b. Elvis
c. A tour buss full of 80-year-old women
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

4. During the 1980's a number of Americans were kidnapped in Lebanon by
a. John Dillinger
b. The King of Sweden
c. The Boy Scouts
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

5. In 1983, the U. S. Marine barracks in Beirut was blown up by:
a. A pizza delivery boy
b. Pee Wee Herman
c. Geraldo Rivera making up for a slow news day
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

6. In 1985 the cruise ship Achille Lauro was hijacked, and a 70-year-old
American passenger was murdered and thrown overboard by:
a. The Smurfs
b. Davy Jones
c. The Little Mermaid
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

7. In 1985 TWA flight 847 was hijacked at Athens, and a U. S. Navy diver was murdered by:
a. Captain Kidd
b. Charles Lindbergh
c. Mother Teresa
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

8. In 1988, Pan Am Flight 103 was bombed by:
a. Scooby Doo
b. The Tooth Fairy
c. Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid with dynamite left over from the train job
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

9. In 1993 the World Trade Center was bombed the first time by:
a. Richard Simmons
b. Grandma Moses
c. Michael Jordan
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

10. In 1998, the U. S. Embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were bombed by:
a. Mr. Rogers
b. Hilary, to distract attention from Wild Bill's women problems
c. The World Wrestling Federation to promote its next villain --- "Mustapha the Merciless"
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

11. On 9/11/01, four airliners were hijacked and destroyed and thousands of people were killed by:
a. Bugs Bunny, Wiley E. Coyote, Daffy Duck, and Elmer Fudd
b. The Supreme Court of Florida
c. Mr. Bean
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

12. In 2002 the United States fought a war in Afghanistan against:
a. Enron
b. The Lutheran Church
c. The NFL
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

13. In 2002 reporter Daniel Pearl was kidnapped and murdered by:
a. Bonny and Clyde
b. Captain Kangaroo
c. Billy Graham
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

So did you pass the test?

Muslims are not all bad, but there is definitely a problem with their culture and its propensity for causing trouble
18 posted on 06/20/2002 10:43:39 AM PDT by liberalism=failure
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To: Illbay
That might be (right now), but I can't somehow bring myself to condemn "Islam" and all who follow that religion because of a few kooks.

Its more than a few kooks, its a great many kooks, and an even greater number of excusers and enablers.

Might as well say "let's destroy Germany," because statistically Germans are more likely than any other nationality to commit mass murder.

that's exactly what we did.

19 posted on 06/20/2002 10:52:21 AM PDT by liberalism=failure
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To: GBA
I did a search and found that Cirrus recently did partner with a middle eastern company:

"Cirrus Design, maker of the SR20 and SR22 piston singles, got the investment it has been seeking for the past couple of years. Crescent Capital, the U.S. arm of a Middle Eastern investment company, has funneled $100 million into Cirrus, a stake that gives it around 60 percent ownership of the company and three of the five seats on the board of directors."

20 posted on 06/24/2002 7:41:46 AM PDT by GBA
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