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To: CecilRhodesGhost
To give up our sovereignty and American way of life just so we can buy cheap plastic gee-gaws from WAl-Mart is not my idea of free trade and definitely not a good trade.

Also, as if we have enough people who are addicted to welfare in this country, we must import more and in such numbers there will never be a chance of anything but an explosion of the welfare-state.

All those who think their way of life cannot be adversely impacted by this flood, needs to think about the law of supply and demand. Already these people have taken over the construction industry, plumbing industry, they are bank tellers, and computer techs. When more and more of these come to this country, who do you think the employers are going to hire - the man for whom they have to deduct, match and pay in taxes, provide benefits, or will they hire the one they can get from a temp agency, have no responsibility for them and at a much lower wage because the American people are providing all the benefits. Also, these people will soon be starting their own businesses (with taxpayers financial help, also operating outside the emloyment laws, and do you think they are going to hire American workers or will they, also, import cheap labor. Everyone needs to think about that when they think they are getting such a bargain at Wal-Mart.

As for NAFTA raising the standard of living for all, just don't buy it. It may 'level' the standard of living - raising the ones of the Mexicans, but lowering the American standard of living.

The myth of cheaper consumer goods is just that, a myth. I don't see anything cheap about food, clothing, autos, housing, appliances. What really concerns me is the fact a group of people have actually put a money value on the American way of life. To me it is priceless.

17 posted on 06/19/2002 11:03:45 AM PDT by nanny
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To: CecilRhodesGhost; nanny
What SHE said!

(see nanny's post #16) :)

Cecil, perhaps this all works for you because of your lack of passion for sovereignty. I wonder if the word itself is being phased out in spanish and english textbooks in the southwest.
18 posted on 06/19/2002 11:15:22 AM PDT by madfly
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To: nanny
Nanny... it is nearly impossible for someone to stay at a hotel in America without being touched by undocumented workers. It is impossible to visit a grocery chain or a retail chain without thanking NAFTA's authors. No man is an island, and that can be said for nation-states as well. Combined with the amount of debt the US has, along with its sinking dollar, it is virtually a death-sentence for the DOW (not to mention plans to expand NAFTA) for the borders to be military-policed in America... the notion of a border between two nation-states is being slowly faded away by the demands of the people. Although the US middle-class might show some decline, the overall population of North America will see a rise in living standards as anti-immigration rules are removed. There are already more people in California (many new residents) than in all of Canada. So what will a military show at the border gates achieve at this late stage of the game? It's only sword-rattling. Social services will have to increase in the US because of AGING ANGLO BABYBOOMERS... and the new guest workers and undocumented aliens will likely be the ones hired to change the bedpans. Globalism and free-trade blocs are the new way, some say the "third way" to lasting stability and world enlightenment.
20 posted on 06/19/2002 11:18:28 AM PDT by CecilRhodesGhost
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