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To: Ahban
But it is one thing to say science only answers questions about the material realm, and another to insist that the material realm is all that there is. That is naturalism disguised as science.

Yes, well, science makes no such claims; science is a game whose rules relate, by explicit design, to material cause in the material world. This is not the same thing as the philosophy of naturalism. I know of no reputable field of science, or scientific journal, that claims "the material realm is all that there is". It is an unwarranted claim science is not equipped to make or pursue, even if it was on the agenda.

The only place this battle is being fought is in the overheated imaginations of creationists.

167 posted on 06/28/2002 11:04:16 AM PDT by donh
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To: donh
I know of no reputable field of science, or scientific journal, that claims "the material realm is all that there is". It is an unwarranted claim science is not equipped to make or pursue, even if it was on the agenda.

The only place this battle is being fought is in the overheated imaginations of creationists.

Not so. I noticed that you left out of your claim 'famous scientists'. What I said was a direct response to the quote by Carl Sagan, "The Cosmos is all that is, or was, or ever will be." You say, correctly, that this is merely Naturalism, not science. Still, its adherents are masqurading this philosophy as scientific truth. Would that you be half as angry with THEM as you are with me, with all this talk of manning the cannons and such. You speak of creationist violence of centuries ago (more violent times), but you are the one who seems most prone to violence of the two of us.

173 posted on 06/28/2002 2:42:12 PM PDT by Ahban
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