New Cellular Evolution Theory Rejects Darwinian Assumptions (Actual Title)

University of Illinois News Release ^ | 6/17/02 | Jim Barlow

[Tribune7]

On the posts I have been dealing with, the naturalists have lost on this thread, and lost decisively.

Naturalist. That's a good label. Those with whom you are debating argue their point not with the objective dispassion of science but with the emotional zeal of religion.

Materialism/atheism/naturalism is a superstition. As misguided as the poor pagans were, it is more rational to believe in a Greek pantheon of gods than to assume we exist by accident.

[Tribune7]

I've put the blues behind me and I've never felt cleaner!

I think you can declare victory, too.

[gore3000]

So, I was right and you haven't looked it up.

Why don't you look it up for your friend? You guys are so arrogant that you expect your opponents to be both the prosecutor and the defenders of evolution! None of you back up what you say because you folk are always throwing garbage out to see if something will stick. That is why can't back it up, because you folk just plain lie and think you can intimidate your opponents with insults if you get caught.

[gore3000]

Materialism/atheism/naturalism is a superstition.

Yup, it is not even a valid philoshy. It cannot account for what makes us human - art, thought, conscience, logic, mathematics, and even philosophy itself.

[VadeRetro]

On the posts I have been dealing with, the naturalists have lost on this thread, and lost decisively. . . It was a good win for truth, and I am going to cut and paste my exchanges on this thread into a doc. file for reference.

Delusional. Save the rest of the thread, too. Someday perhaps the scales will fall from your eyes.

[That Subliminal Kid]

No, that doesn't help at all. In fact it was a total waste of time since it has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the subject at hand. If it's a cute metaphore, it makes a few glaring errors. Are you a software engineer? I am.

[That Subliminal Kid]

Sure. An evolutionist is one who believes that biological entities developed over a long period of time from a non-living source. There are actually many definitions of 'evolutionist'. I am just fascinated by the way in which people point an accusatory finger at their opponent labeling them "creationist" as if we are all supposed to gasp and shriek in horror as though some horrific monster had just been unmasked.

[gore3000]

Please submit your proof that "replication with error in order to generate the information needed for the organism to evolve." Is some sort of essential stumbling block to the natural origins of life.

You are really funny! Do dead people "replicate", do rocks "replicate"? You have to be alive to replicate. The phony evolution 'magical force' does not work in the case of abiogenesis. Stop making a fool of yourself.

BTW speaking of proof - when you are you going to tell us one of the 'many scientific hypothesis' of evolution?

[That Subliminal Kid]

I don't know about anyone else, but I have yet to see any scientific work which demonstrates that non-living matter can self-assemble, simultaneously acquire the ability to convert raw energy into a usable form, and subsequently increase in biological complexity to the point that it becomes self-aware. When you run across that experiment, be sure to send it my way. Thanks.

[gore3000]

Delusional.

Yup Vade, you are delusional or perhaps you have not been reading the thread or are lacking in reading comprehension. Your buddies cannot give a hypothesis for abiogenesis, they cannot tell us how a program can be randomly mutated, they cannot tell us how an event which has one chance in 20^500000 of happening occurred not just once but 3 times according to the scientist who you folk regard so highly. So yes Vade, you really need to get some rest, maybe your mind will clear up.

[PatrickHenry]

Blue-skipping placemarker.

[apochromat]

do rocks "replicate"?

Yes, it's called "crystallization".

[gore3000]

do rocks "replicate"? -me-

Yes, it's called "crystallization".

Real funny! Guess they have little crystals!

[Doctor Stochastic]

I've told you who the Nobelists were. Your ingnorance could be remedied by evolving up to using simple tools such as newspapers.

[gore3000]

Waiting to hear the 'scientific' hypothesis of abiogenesis placemarker.

[apochromat]

Guess they have little crystals!

Yes, if a grown crystal goes through a physical stressing process, little crystal pieces break off. Take falling icicles, for example.

[apochromat]

Stalactites create separate stalagmites, but you didn't previously specify that the crystal replication has to be detached.

Generally speaking, crystals can break up and create new seed crystals in the process. Genes are quasi-crystalline.

[balrog666]

Waiting to hear the 'scientific' hypothesis of abiogenesis placemarker.

Waiting to hear Gore3000's apology to everyone for his lies (just his latest ones) placemarker.

[laredo44]

Try starting in Genesis 1:1. Let me know when you've finished the chapter.

I've read it and read it and read it. There are no explanations as to how there.

[donh]

I don't know about anyone else, but I have yet to see any scientific work which demonstrates that non-living matter can self-assemble, simultaneously acquire the ability to convert raw energy into a usable form, and subsequently increase in biological complexity to the point that it becomes self-aware. When you run across that experiment, be sure to send it my way. Thanks.

When you run across a proof that spontaneous assembly is the only possible way life could have came to be, be sure to send it my way. Thanks.