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Cardinal to media: You're like communist spies
The Chicago Sun-Times ^ | 6/17/02 | Lucio Guerrero

Posted on 06/17/2002 4:36:53 PM PDT by GeneD

A clearly frustrated Cardinal Francis George chastised the media Sunday during a public appearance--asking them to leave a morning worship service if they took notes and likening them to communist spies that he encountered in Poland.

In his first public appearance since returning to Chicago from the historic bishop's conference in Dallas, George recalled the times he would travel to communist Poland, when he "knew there was someone there from the government in the assembly that was recording or taking notes," he told a packed and supportive St. Giles Catholic Church in Oak Park. "You had to choose your words carefully because they would be used against the church later."

He then asked that the television cameras inside the church be removed and told the journalists in the crowd to either leave or not take any notes.

Parishioners at St. Giles Catholic Church, which was celebrating its 75th anniversary, cheered when George made his demands.

After the hourlong service, George said he was not going to use his pulpit to make comments about current affairs.

"I don't preach to give messages about public events," George said. "Those are a special 10 to 15 minutes that should not be used as a news conference."

When asked if he really meant to compare the media with communist government spies, George did not back down.

"You asked me how I feel, and that's how I feel," he said.

Bishops from across the country have been feeling the heat from the media and parishioners for what they considered a soft stance against priests accused of sexual abuse.

"The media has served [the American people] well, but there have been factual errors," George said without elaborating.

He was also frustrated because of what he called "prescripted responses" by some of the opposition groups being quoted.

"It doesn't matter what would have come out of Dallas, there were some who had a prescripted response," George said.

During the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops in Dallas, the church leaders approved a new rule that says no priest who abuses a child may call himself a priest any longer, nor may he wear the priestly garb, celebrate the mass in public or serve the church in any capacity.

George said that new edict, which Chicago would follow, would affect seven priests in the large Chicago archdiocese.

"When I got back, I started to call the priests that are affected and told them I wanted to get together with them as soon as possible," George said. "But this is going to be something that has to be done carefully because you are dealing with people's lives."

During the mass, George said it was time that parishioners and church leaders begin to "heal a broken church and heal the family."


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: catholicchurch; chicagoarchdiocese; newsmedia; pedophilepriests
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That's an insult to communists.
1 posted on 06/17/2002 4:36:53 PM PDT by GeneD
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To: GeneD
They're the victims? Give me a break! Who are these people?
2 posted on 06/17/2002 4:56:32 PM PDT by concerned about politics
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To: GeneD
"You had to choose your words carefully because they would be used against the church later."

"I can remember this one little boy with a really nice butt, so I .......opps! The press! Run for it!"

3 posted on 06/17/2002 5:00:49 PM PDT by concerned about politics
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To: GeneD
If the Cardinal does not want to subject himself to public scrutiny, then he should not have accepted a public position.

I'm so disappointed that the leaders of my Church have not learned the first basic rule of dealing with the press: defensiveness only makes the dogs hungrier. We're not talking about the confessional seal here; we're talking about lawbreakers!

4 posted on 06/17/2002 5:08:53 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: Orual
Wrong-headed, in a way that's drearily familiar by now.

The press, despite its numerous faults (including a degree of anti-Catholicism), is NOT the problem here.

5 posted on 06/17/2002 5:14:33 PM PDT by dighton
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To: dighton
Well the cardinal is going to get together with those 7 priests..... ORGY... or Twister.
6 posted on 06/17/2002 7:28:46 PM PDT by Dick Vomer
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To: sinkspur
If the Cardinal does not want to subject himself to public scrutiny, then he should not have accepted a public position.

A "Cardinal" is a position within a private multinational organization calling itself "The Catholic Church". He is not a member of any government, elected or otherwise. So what makes you call it a "public position"?

7 posted on 06/17/2002 7:33:46 PM PDT by Dr. Frank fan
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To: Dr. Frank
So what makes you call it a "public position"?

Does he celebrate Mass in public? Does he list the phone number to his chancery office in the phone book?

Was the God-Man whom Cardinal George purports to follow a private, or a public, personage?

He is a public man, unless he chooses to live in a monastery.

8 posted on 06/17/2002 7:50:31 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: sinkspur
Does he celebrate Mass in public?

I assume he "celebrates Mass" in churches, which are gathering places for people of a certain religion. Perhaps those "churches" are more or less open to anyone who wants to enter, I can't say.

Does he list the phone number to his chancery office in the phone book?

I dunno. The local Masonic lodge is also in the phone book, does that make its Grand Poobah a "public figure" who must necessarily allow reporters to listen in on his meetings?

Was the God-Man whom Cardinal George purports to follow a private, or a public, personage?

What do these terms even mean? "Private personage"?

He is a public man,

Then, who isn't?

unless he chooses to live in a monastery.

I see. Monks aren't. Everyone else is.

9 posted on 06/17/2002 7:54:16 PM PDT by Dr. Frank fan
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To: GeneD
What th' heck was the media doing invading a legitimate religious worship service? I don't think I'd appreciate it, either, if the media showed up and made a spectacle of themselves during a service.

Michael

10 posted on 06/17/2002 7:58:35 PM PDT by Wright is right!
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To: Dr. Frank
If the Cardinal wants to post guards at the doors of every venue in which he appears, he is free to do that.

And live with the consequences he is treated to in the press.

As a Catholic, I want my leaders to be open and genial to the media. There's no reason for them not to be.

Unless, of course, they've got something to hide.

11 posted on 06/17/2002 7:59:31 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: GeneD
I generally think of George as a good guy, but I think that we are a long way from healing. There are too many issues left unresolved.
12 posted on 06/17/2002 8:02:14 PM PDT by RobbyS
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To: GeneD
So, you would prefer that all of this abuse were still hidden? The Roman Catholic leaders are despicable. They should be looking in the mirror if they want to see where the evil lies.
13 posted on 06/17/2002 8:05:34 PM PDT by Pining_4_TX
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To: GeneD
I guess the guy wants to convey the message that he has an insecure psych. Maybe he needs therapy.
14 posted on 06/17/2002 8:56:33 PM PDT by Torie
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To: GeneD
My, oh, my--just a wee bit testy are we on a Sunday morning, Cardinal George?

George is part of the problem, being the handpicked heir of Bernardin, whose nefarious history can be read about at RCF.org. He's the one responsible for gays taking over the church in Chicago.

Now he wants to make Sunday Mass a secret ceremony, just like all those secret things that go on behind closed doors in the seminaries of Illinois?

15 posted on 06/17/2002 9:02:56 PM PDT by Palladin
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To: Dr. Frank
The reason that none of the Cardinals or Bishops have sued the media for libel is because they would have a hard time proving in a court of law that they are NOT public figures.

Your arguments lack logic.

16 posted on 06/17/2002 9:06:56 PM PDT by Palladin
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To: GeneD;All
It's pretty sorry state of affairs when men of cloth disparage the press yet also seek the press to lift their image in the eyes of the public. I mean, the public used to hold the church above the press. Probably way far above.

Somehow I don't think the Cardinal, all but proclaiming that he's above the press, is going to convince many people.

US media 'hounding' Vatican over sex 6/10/02

“The US media appears to act with a fury that reminds me at times of Diocletian and Nero and more recently of Stalin and Hitler,” said Cardinal Oscar Rodriguez Maradiaga, a Honduran who is widely tipped as a possible successor to Pope John Paul.

Cardinal predicts single sex-abuse exception will die 6/6/02

 Cardinal McCarrick said it's up to the media to portray the lengths that prelates are willing to go to correct the problem, if only to reassure the nation's 63 million Catholics.
     "I think it's important that our own people, after Dallas, say, 'OK, they've got the picture. They may have been long in getting that, but they've got the picture,'" he said.
     "A lot of that is going to depend on the media. If they keep saying the bishops aren't paying attention, it will take longer. If the media says we see they've tried to pull this together, then our people will get the message.
     "I believe the Catholic people of the United States really want to trust the bishops," he said. "They have to see now we are really trying. We are saying: 'We have been too slow; we have been too dull; we have been too hesitant. Now, here is what we have done. Believe us.'"


17 posted on 06/17/2002 9:15:14 PM PDT by Zon
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To: Palladin
they would have a hard time proving in a court of law that they are NOT public figures.

You mean "public figure" as it is used for the purpose of a libel suit? Sure, I'll buy that. That's not the way we were using it.

sinkspur was using "public figure" in a different context, namely (as far as I can tell) "someone who must necessarily allow the media at all of their meetings because the public has a legitimate stake in what is said". That kind of "public figure", which, I had thought, included primarily government officials, but apparently (according to sinkspur) includes practically everyone except monks. Understand now?

18 posted on 06/17/2002 11:22:23 PM PDT by Dr. Frank fan
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To: sinkspur
I have no further argument with you as of Post #11.
19 posted on 06/17/2002 11:22:49 PM PDT by Dr. Frank fan
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To: Dr. Frank
I bet there is a lot more to tis story than we were privy to.The writer starts out calling it a worship service, making it sound like this was something akin to a Town Hall meeting.Upon further reading it turns out it was the Mass and he was talking about the 15 minutes for the sermon and said that it wasn't for the purpose of discussing current events.

It also says there were television cameras and reporters.I would like to hear the rest of the story.

20 posted on 06/18/2002 12:59:41 AM PDT by saradippity
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