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To: Ajnin
Well, that does pretty much answer it.

If you noticed this thread has a lot of cross fire about whether or not to have the military on the border. Some of it is ludicrous, in that the debate is posed as being one of either having no military on the border or invading Mexico. I think that's a false choice, but it does bring up the question: does the Border Patrol have the capacity to stop the escalating number and intensity of the "incidents", if we assume that the military is inappropriate?

So I did a little search with the key words "special operations" and "border patrol" based on my own experience that I've never seen a federal agency that didn't want to have just as many goodies as the rest of them. And bingo, I get BORTAC.

It seems like just the ticket: an SO outfit that, after a few altercations with Mexican Army units and other lower life forms ("smugglers"), would probably deter pretty much any sort of attacks on the BP. But I hadn't heard of any response like that in any of the recent attacks. So, where are these guys? AWOL? That's what prompted the question initially. It seems that's exactly what's going on: they aren't around. In addition to being a small group.

As far as the fire power, it keeps coming up in these attacks that the BP agent "only had a handgun". In reading about BORTAC and other descriptions of BP armament it seemed that the BP has all the armament it needed on paper, but that both Clinton administration ideologues like Meissner and Bill Lan Lee, as well as Ziglar, had restricted their use so much that it was essentially window dressing. It sounds like with full auto M-4's still available that you have what you need (at least in uncongested areas), but don't use because...? I suppose because in general the attacks are isolated. But they are happening....

The conclusion I get from this is that BORTAC could be used a lot more effectively as a real paramilitary response team, and that line agents don't want that role for themselves. But misuse of assets by INS (or higher up?) is preventing that...why am I not shocked...

Thanks for the reply. Cleared up a lot. There's not a lot that gets resolved on a web forum with the same people honking back and forth at each other, but occasionally I get info like this that I can put into letters and calls to Congress types. Who knows, maybe one of them will listen...

269 posted on 06/19/2002 11:53:39 PM PDT by Regulator
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To: Regulator
Bingo! you've got it. The Border Patrol has the assets to deal with the problems on the border, but as you've said these assets are mismanaged. As a side note, the Mexicans have been fortunate to cross the border in areas where Agents are not ready for them. The story will have a much different ending if they cross my border.
270 posted on 06/20/2002 12:07:32 AM PDT by Ajnin
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