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Baptist Pastor Attacks Islam, Inciting Cries of Intolerance
New York Times ^ | June 15, 2002 | SUSAN SACHS

Posted on 06/15/2002 3:08:11 PM PDT by Conservative Chicagoan

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June 15, 2002

Baptist Pastor Attacks Islam, Inciting Cries of Intolerance

By SUSAN SACHS

A prominent Southern Baptist pastor caused protests this week with a speech condemning American religious pluralism and calling the prophet of Islam, Muhammad, a pedophile.

Critics said the remarks by the Rev. Jerry Vines, pastor of First Baptist Church in Jacksonville, Fla., and a past president of the Southern Baptist Convention, illustrated how hate speech against Muslims had become a staple of conservative Christian political discourse. The speech also briefly united Muslim and Jewish groups in outrage over what they called the Baptists' intolerance of other religions.

Mr. Vines called Muhammad a "demon-possessed pedophile," asserting that his 12th and final wife was a 9-year-old girl, and declared that Muslims worshiped a different God than Christians.

Speaking to fellow pastors on Monday at the Baptists' annual convention in St. Louis, Mr. Vines said pluralism wrongly equated all religions.

"Allah is not Jehovah," The Associated Press quoted him as saying. "Jehovah's not going to turn you into a terrorist that will try to bomb people and take the lives of thousands and thousands of people."

Open scorn for Islam has become a staple ingredient in the speeches of conservative Christian leaders since the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.

The Web sites of the Rev. Jerry Falwell and the Christian Broadcasting Network, run by Pat Robertson, have articles that purport to explain Islam. Mr. Robertson, in his television speeches, has called Islam a religion that seeks to control, dominate or "if need be, destroy" others.

The Southern Baptist Convention, with an estimated 16 million members and an active political lobby, has long provoked public protests with its views condemning homosexuality and its open proselytizing of Jews and members of other religions.

But the attack on Islam by one of its best-known pastors could have wider political repercussions.

"It matters a great deal, because it's the largest Protestant denomination in the United States, and one that is particularly politicized these days," said John C. Green, the director of the Ray Bliss Institute of Applied Politics at the University of Akron.

Many in the evangelical Christian community truly believe that Islam is wrong, Mr. Green said. They have been uncomfortable with the Bush administration's efforts since Sept. 11 to emphasize that the United States does not consider Islam an enemy.

"Evangelicals, including the Southern Baptists, have been very strong supporters of President Bush and he has tried hard to appeal to them," Mr. Green said. "But at the same time, Bush has tried hard in his foreign policy to maintain good relationships with moderate Muslim countries."

Southern Baptist leaders defended Mr. Vines, saying his statements were based on his research into Islam, although many Muslims have said that his views are inaccurate.

Barrett Duke, vice president for research for the Southern Baptist Convention's Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission, said the comments reflected Mr. Vines's personal convictions.

President Bush spoke by satellite to this week's Southern Baptist meeting, praising the group as the "earliest champions of religious tolerance and freedom." There was no indication in his remarks that he was aware of what Mr. Vines had said about Islam the evening before.

Still, civil rights groups have called on Mr. Bush to distance himself publicly from Mr. Vines's comments.

"He should not embrace leaders whose message is based on sowing intolerance," said Ralph G. Neas, president of People for the American Way, a liberal lobby in Washington.

Criticism of Mr. Vines's statements also came from the Anti-Defamation League, which has urged religious tolerance but has also refused to work on civil rights issues with national Arab- and Muslim-American organizations because of disagreements over the conflict between Israel and Palestinians.

"The reason we don't stand with the organizations is that they are hypocrites on terrorism," said Abraham H. Foxman, the national director of the league.

Salam al-Marayati, director of the Muslim Political Affairs Council in Los Angeles, said he was gratified in any case for some Jewish support in protesting Mr. Vines's statement on pluralism.

"There has been a pattern of escalating hate speech toward Muslims, with people saying that Islam is an evil religion," Mr. Marayati said. "We have demanded that the administration repudiate those comments."

Muslim groups have also argued that actions by the Bush administration, especially those singling out Muslim immigrants for investigation and detention, have encouraged public hostility toward Islam.


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The Left doesn't like it when anybody speaks the truth apparently!
1 posted on 06/15/2002 3:08:11 PM PDT by Conservative Chicagoan
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To: Conservative Chicagoan
May we post NYT articles now?
2 posted on 06/15/2002 3:10:50 PM PDT by RightWhale
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To: RightWhale
If we are not allowed to I apologize.
3 posted on 06/15/2002 3:11:52 PM PDT by Conservative Chicagoan
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To: PA COPPERHEAD
I agree with you. What is really disgusting is just how many mosques there are in this country.
5 posted on 06/15/2002 3:16:09 PM PDT by Conservative Chicagoan
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To: Conservative Chicagoan
Apparently its ok to ban Christianity in Saudi Arabia, and the PC Left says not a peep, but criticize the "religion of peace" in America, and all the touchy feely types roar "intolerance." Saying anything offensive toward anything in America of which the Left disapproves, even if its the plain, unvarnished and God's honest truth can be hazardous to your health, career, life, or all three.
7 posted on 06/15/2002 3:18:02 PM PDT by goldstategop
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To: PA COPPERHEAD
Hopefully you are right.
8 posted on 06/15/2002 3:20:10 PM PDT by Conservative Chicagoan
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To: Conservative Chicagoan
Baptist Pastor Attacks tells truth about Islam, Inciting Cries of Intolerance Being Exposed

as if the dancing in the streets of 9/11 of several countries wasn't enough ...
9 posted on 06/15/2002 3:22:11 PM PDT by Bobby777
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To: goldstategop
I agree with you.
11 posted on 06/15/2002 3:22:57 PM PDT by Conservative Chicagoan
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To: GovtMustChange
I wonder if Abe Foxman has tolerance for the Danny Pearl video. Its the true face of Islam.
12 posted on 06/15/2002 3:23:37 PM PDT by goldstategop
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To: Bobby777
I agree with you!
13 posted on 06/15/2002 3:23:41 PM PDT by Conservative Chicagoan
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To: Conservative Chicagoan
I slam, you slam, we all slam for Islam... :)
14 posted on 06/15/2002 3:30:32 PM PDT by Treebeard
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To: Conservative Chicagoan
illustrated how hate speech against Muslims had become a staple of conservative Christian political discourse.

Excuse me. And exactly how would the NYTimes know what kind of speech is a staple of conservative Christian political discourse? hmmm?

This is bunk. I would not have chosen the words Vine chose, but the NYTimes exposes its bias when it does not seek out other groups for soundbite criticism.

15 posted on 06/15/2002 3:32:12 PM PDT by RAT Patrol
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To: Conservative Chicagoan
Mr. Vines called Muhammad a "demon-possessed pedophile," asserting that his 12th and final wife was a 9-year-old girl, and declared that Muslims worshiped a different God than Christians.

As an agnostic I find Vines characterization of yet another man made "religion" as "demon posessed" amusing.

From the perspective of one who believs in God but not man made fairy tales, I will say that the "Islamic" horror story and it's Koraniac adherents are dangerous to an unacceptable degree and should be made to disband, by force if necessary.

16 posted on 06/15/2002 3:32:45 PM PDT by Rome2000
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To: RAT Patrol
bump!!!
17 posted on 06/15/2002 3:33:31 PM PDT by Conservative Chicagoan
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To: Conservative Chicagoan
YA damn right I am intolerant. I just have no time at all for a radical islam terrorist that is bent on killing all Christians, Jews and others not to his liking. I would gladly shoot the SOB straight away as to look at him (or her). I would have NO problem ridding the world of such as those. If they want to try me out, they are welcome. Intolerant, hell, that barely describes my hatred for this scum collection of pig parts!

< /rant>

18 posted on 06/15/2002 3:34:59 PM PDT by lawdude
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To: RAT Patrol
Its a smear against conservatives not just Christians. Its not PC to acknowledge the fact that much of Islam is xenophobic, militant, and barbaric in its attitude and conduct towards Christianity and Judaism. Facts are stubborn things and they don't change just because the Left prefers to keep the window shade closed while Islamokamikazis are blowing themselves up eveywhere outside.
19 posted on 06/15/2002 3:36:06 PM PDT by goldstategop
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To: Conservative Chicagoan
Excuse me ... saying a person is demon possessed is not intolerant - killing 3,000 innocent civilians at one time is intolerant!!!!!!
20 posted on 06/15/2002 3:40:25 PM PDT by CyberAnt
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