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The Dallas Outlook
NRO ^ | June 12, 2002 10:20 a.m. | Rod Dreher

Posted on 06/12/2002 7:54:05 AM PDT by oline

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21 posted on 06/12/2002 10:35:16 AM PDT by Mo1
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To: sinkspur;maryz;americancolleen;tiki;BlackElk
Of course he is.But he is known to stay under the radar scope pretty well which is pretty well borne out by the dearth of information in the Dallas article.Since he is not very smart and he is not very holy and since the diocese is not very Catholic,in numbers or intensity of belief,it shows there is something else going on here. I think its the protection he is afforded by the large and rich homosexual community. I believe 4 or 5 of his 5 or 6 vicars are of that persuasion.He does lie about just about everything but I can't believe that an interested media would be bamboozled unless they were in support of his agenda.

I notice yours was on the list also. Since you have spoken about how clean your diocese is,does the information support what you know?

I think that if the list was refined to reflect legitimate immoral,unethical or illegal activity and the cover up of same,the actual number "problem bishops" would be reduced to about 40 or 50 at most.And in half of those the situation is probably equal to or worse than the Boston situation.

Your thoughts?

22 posted on 06/12/2002 10:47:37 AM PDT by saradippity
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To: saradippity
Delaney didn't know about the background of the priest from Worcester, nor did he know about Magaldi's extra-curriculars.

When he found out about both, the priests were dispatched. In fact, it was Delaney's dispatching that caused the press to take notice. Magaldi went to the Fort Worth Star Telegram to complain, and the paper started digging into his background.

And, in both cases, the priests were not homegrown; they were shipped in from the Northeast.

23 posted on 06/12/2002 10:54:02 AM PDT by sinkspur
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To: saradippity
I think that if the list was refined to reflect legitimate immoral,unethical or illegal activity and the cover up of same,the actual number "problem bishops" would be reduced to about 40 or 50 at most.

I don't think I understand what you're saying here.

24 posted on 06/12/2002 11:03:51 AM PDT by maryz
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To: oline
Excellent, excellent article. Of course, Dreher's been good on this from the beginning. Polls have shown that most American Catholics place primary blame for this scandal not on the abusive priests, but on the bishops who allowed them to prey on minors and families for years.

When we were kids, my mother would often say, in forbidding or correcting, "Because I'm your mother, and when I die, I am going to have to answer to God for your sins as well as my own!" My mother had only a high school education -- and went to public school. How did she realize what the bishops apparently don't -- that those with teaching authority (whether by nature or by being appointed) -- are responsible for the spiritual welfare of those under their guidance?

(Do you suppose any of these bishops actually believe in hell? One of the Boston miscreants -- I forget which, just too many to keep straight -- actually wept to the boy he had just done and begged him not to tell because the molester could "be fired or excommunicated.")

25 posted on 06/12/2002 11:11:50 AM PDT by maryz
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To: Richard Kimball
It's very clear that pedophilia is the taboo currently in the sights of the nihilists. Who can speak out against it now?

I hadn't even thought of this one. (I did realize the effect on the abortion fight when I heard a guy say, "No wonder the church is against abortion -- how else are they going to have a steady stream of kids to diddle?")

26 posted on 06/12/2002 11:15:00 AM PDT by maryz
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To: maryz
I've heard similar comments about the Church's position on birth control.
27 posted on 06/12/2002 11:29:29 AM PDT by CatoRenasci
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To: Richard Kimball
It's very clear that pedophilia is the taboo currently in the sights of the nihilists. Who can speak out against it now? ... the final obstacle is out of the way for the final descent.

And whose fault will it be?
Did the nihilists drug priests and make them pedophiles?
Perhaps they used their mind destroying rays on the bishops to force them into complicity?

The Catholic Church can not effectively speak on pedophilia because their heirarchy has become indistinguishable from NAMBLA.

Every Bishop who has condoned or covered up for priests must go before the Church can hope to regain any moral authority.

So9

28 posted on 06/12/2002 11:56:19 AM PDT by Servant of the Nine
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To: maryz
I believe what I was trying to say is that the figure heading the stories is "two thirds of the bishops were involved in cover-ups",is exaggerated.It could be designed to make Catholics despair that the Church can be mended and serve to topple the Catholic Church in America and set the stage for their own version of church."The church of the New and Different Vision".

I read all of the study and felt that some bishops were included wrongly.The incidents or complaints were without any merit,and many were simply lacking information necessary to detetermine anything,some were understandable by virtue of the need for establishing facts,some were very questionable with regards to who knew what and when did they know it and a couple could have been attributable to an unwillingness to believe something so horrific about someone they may have found to be an excellent priest.Those are the kinds of errors,mistakes,misinterpretations and misunderstandings that each and every human being will make.They are not mortal sins or crimes.

Since the consequences of highly exaggerated numbers are grave,I think we need to start looking at the actual number of culpable bishops and focus on getting them to resign or having them removed.Good orthodox Catholics across the country need to work together to clean up our own diocese and then focus on getting all the disreputable,sinful bishops who have lost their morals and their faith out.If we are going to use our resources and take a scatter gun approach to this we will knock out some very good men as well as the Catholic Church in America. Thats why its the time to get a realistic number of real offenders. I am taking a stab at it by saying there are probably 25,whose actions have been so opprobrious that should be defrocked and in some cases turned over to the legal system and another 20 or so that need to be scrutinized very carefully.I threw that number out to quash an over alarmist reaction while recognizing that we do have a grave problem that must be dealt with almost immediately.

29 posted on 06/12/2002 12:12:48 PM PDT by saradippity
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To: Servant of the Nine
I absolutely agree with you. The hazard of the Catholic Church, and I hope Catholics here realize I am not bashing, is that the focus has been on the Church, rather than on God. Defending the Church is not the same as defending God, and the Pope is not God's spokesman here on earth.

Homosexual pedophilia has reached the proportions it has because it was covered up to prevent a scandal from being created in the church. Once these priests found that the church would turn a blind eye to their transgressions, there very likely became an "underground railroad" recruiting new members. Remember also that the Catholic Church is in many third world countries where there is no cultural taboo against homosexual pedophilia. In this event, if a child molestor could get into the church, all he had to do was not slurp too loudly and he had a ticket to ride.

Had the original perpetrators been dealt with appropriately, the church would have received a black eye with the revelation, but the other possible perps would have probably left the church to avoid the same penalty. Now, the church may be dying from a thousand cuts.

30 posted on 06/12/2002 12:23:58 PM PDT by Richard Kimball
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To: saradippity
Much clearer, thanks.
31 posted on 06/12/2002 1:43:40 PM PDT by maryz
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To: oline
Sounds like Dreher thought that a solution would actually come from the Dallas meeting.

Pray to St. Peter Damian for reform.

32 posted on 06/12/2002 6:26:57 PM PDT by Dajjal
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