Atheists improve society

The Orange County Register ^ | 11 June 2002 | Richard Cheek

[Raymond Hendrix]

The Blind Atheist

[TightSqueeze]

I have no problem with atheists. It is the atheists who are anti-religion and particularly anti-Christian that are the scourge on society.

I have no problem with Christians. It is the Christian fundamentalists who are anti-everything that isn’t Christian fundamentalism, which is the scourge on religion.
Yes, this sentence works both ways.

[Protagoras]

There is no direct correlation between atheists and "reason".

Perhaps not, nor is there any between believers and "reason".

[Dimensio]

Actually, atheists probably have it about as wrong as organized religions because there probably is a God.

From where have you discerned this?

[Violette]

I wasn't attacking the Lutherin Church. I was stating that atheism has nothing to do with power. Dictators have to get control of the people. Their biggest contender is the church. Each dictator has their own way of over powering the church. But the Lutherin Church in Germany DID declare that Hitler was a servant of God. Pretty clever of Hitler, wouldn't you say?

[Protagoras]

he doesn't seem to understand that. (Or perhaps, he doesn't want to.)

Or he doesn't have the capacity.

[MEGoody]

Nevertheless, Stalin was an atheist. The entire point being, there are monsters wearing many name tags. I have heard the silly assertion about religion killing more people than anything so many times from so many uninformed sources, it's almost become the badge of the ignorant from my perspective.

[AppyPappy]

Perhaps not, nor is there any between believers and "reason".

That was never alleged.

[Dimensio]

Bah, all this wordplay. Atheism is simply the abscence of the property theism; that is, a person with a "god-belief" is a theist and person without such a belief is an atheist. Any other element of their philisophy, even if it is derived from their theism or a result of them being exposed to theism while they themselves lacked it, is a seperate matter. Atheism implies no level of reason, intelligence or adherence to political philisophy and neither does theism.

[Dimensio]

She has discovered that I actually do not eat babies for breakfast

Of course not. They're much better for lunch.

[Protagoras]

Are you saying that you had no worth as a human being while you were an atheist? Are you saying all atheists are evil? Do you think they have a choice?

Still curious about these, care to take a stab at them?

[Stone Mountain]

Just what I like to see: atheist crap on a conservative web site.

You don't think there are any conservative athiests out there?

[GodBlessRonaldReagan]

People often times do not believe that I am atheist because I am a moral person.

As a former very militant atheist, I now wonder how you can define morality as an atheist? If right and wrong do not come from God, then everything is relative and anything goes. Not trying to bash or flame, just curious how you define morality.

[Protagoras]

Atheism implies no level of reason, intelligence or adherence to political philisophy and neither does theism.

I do not disagree.

[Dimensio]

Since 9/11 we've been treated to a steady diet of "religion is the cause of all the world's problems."

I've heard a few hot-headed atheists utter such, but I've not seen it being pushed as anything remotely resembling a mainstream position. I've heard that Islam is a cause of a lot of the world's problems, but then I've also heard that Christianity (or even just a generic "good God" belief is the solution to those problems (implying that those without god-belief are part of the problem).

[MEGoody]

Hmmm. . .interesting quote. I'd read an quote from Einstein that said he thought there must be a God because of the complexity of the universe. So I guess that leaves me not really knowing where Einstein stood. Oh, well. He's dead, and there's no changing his mind now. He knows the truth.

[AppyPappy]

Are you saying that you had no worth as a human being while you were an atheist?

None at all. I was a worthless sack of shit

Are you saying all atheists are evil?

Oh yes. Every one of them are repressed serial killers and pedophiles of the worst kind and only restrained by the threat of punishment

Do you think they have a choice?

None at all. Doomed from the get-go.

[paul51]

Atheists use reason to solve human problems

As in one demensional

[Dimensio]

If right and wrong do not come from God, then everything is relative and anything goes.

True. Definitions of "right" and "wrong" typically come about through social upbringing. That's why so many middle-eastern muslims think that it's perfectly okay to slam airplanes into buildings. In the end, "right" and "wrong" are a matter of what people want and don't want in their lives.