Have you -- has everyone -- here gone mad?
We didn't tear up the Constitution for Timothy McVeigh and he actually did a crime! He still got a lawyer and a trial...
If we are going to be so quick to toss aside a citizen's Constitutional rights, then Richard Jewell would be rotting away in some cell right now...
It's unthinkable that a US citizen would be held without a lawyer and without due process. It's DISGUSTING that this is happening with a republican administration.
Today, this guy is turned into a non-citizen for "plotting" terror. Tomorrow, it will be some poor schmuck accused of "plotting" to picket an abortion clinic that gets tossed into a hole a buried.
Just as a reminder, let's look back some 2,000 years. The Apostle Paul was arrested in Jerusalem by anti-Christian activists. He was about to be tortured and possibly killed.
Acs 22:25-29 --
And as they bound him with thongs, Paul said to the centurion who stood by, "Is it lawful for you to scourge a man who is a Roman, and uncondemned?"
When the centurion heard that, he went and told the commander, saying, "Take care what you do, for this man is a Roman."
Then the commander came and said to him, "Tell me, are you a Roman?"
He said, "Yes."
The commander answered, "With a large sum I obtained this citizenship."
And Paul said, "But I was born a citizen."
Then immediately those who were about to examine him withdrew from him; and the commander was also afraid after he found out that he was a Roman, and because he had bound him.
We have achieved a level of political oppression unheard of even in ancient Rome!
This is what America has become. Citizenship has been tossed aside. Today it's this nut case. Tomorrow it might be you or me.
-- KotS
This crime -- to plot with Al Qaeda to detonate a 'dirty bomb' -- if true, is certainly High Treason.
Abortion clinic protestors aren’t a clear and present danger to civilization organized and funded by a foreign paramilitary force that has declared war on us. Your analogy is unthinking. Your judgement is ludicrous.
Oh yes we did. His due process rights were extensively and continuously violated in order to get to a speedy execution.
And no, I won't argue the point.
Very true.
I remember in Shirley Maclane's book,"Don't Fall Off the Mountain",
she talked about taking a foreign friend out of his country
by tying a scarf from her arm to his arm.
The guards were afraid to touch him because she was an American Citizen,
and they were afraid of repercussions if they hurt her.
That respect for our citizens abroad is no more,
and even our government holds citizenship in contempt.
That is freaking stupid.