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It's amazing that a single person can be this on base, and so far out in left field at the same time....

Know your enemy and all that I suppose....

1 posted on 06/10/2002 3:32:17 PM PDT by tarawa
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2 posted on 06/10/2002 3:32:38 PM PDT by tarawa
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WHY BE AN ARMED LIBERAL?

Well, you know, all those hateful white male conservatives, of course.

3 posted on 06/10/2002 3:40:10 PM PDT by Still Thinking
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People who attack me or mine need to be stopped. If the only way I have to effectively stop them is to kill them, so be it. Once I am out of danger, I am happy to consider what it will take to improve education and job opportunities in the central cities, or to talk thoughtfully about helping the Palestinians figure out how to become a nation and a state.

I dunno, I kinda like this guy...

4 posted on 06/10/2002 3:44:11 PM PDT by Lurking Libertarian
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5 posted on 06/10/2002 3:44:32 PM PDT by WIMom
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To: tarawa
I think that this writer has a dual personality disorder and lives in Massachusetts.
6 posted on 06/10/2002 3:49:28 PM PDT by greydog
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To: tarawa
I am pretty dubious about the apocalyptic fantasies of those who believe that a cadre of deer hunters could stand up against the armed forces of the U.S. or some invading army.

It is hardly a fantasy when we see a government fantasizing about the sinlessness of itself when it justifies shooting down with a F16 airliners, but cannot find pilots too sinful to carry fire arms as a last line of defense in a war.

Admitedly, doomsday people tend to be self righteous, but gees, I wonder what feeds this self righteousness? Could it be the government and liberals are setting an example?

7 posted on 06/10/2002 3:49:39 PM PDT by lavaroise
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To: tarawa
I think he is a closet conservative.
8 posted on 06/10/2002 3:49:46 PM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: tarawa
(typo)I am pretty dubious about the apocalyptic fantasies of those who believe that a cadre of deer hunters could stand up against the armed forces of the U.S. or some invading army.

It is hardly a fantasy when we see a government fantasizing about the sinlessness of itself when it justifies shooting down with a F16 airliners, but CAN find pilots too sinful to carry fire arms as a last line of defense in a war.

Admitedly, doomsday people tend to be self righteous, but gees, I wonder what feeds this self righteousness? Could it be the government and liberals are setting an example?

9 posted on 06/10/2002 3:50:51 PM PDT by lavaroise
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The only logical inconsistency I can find in this gent's arguments is that the obligation of a government to improve its citizens' lives is generally regarded by liberals as a declaration of its primacy in matters of personal defense as opposed to the individual's, hence the subordination of an individual's rights to self-defense to the collective. Further, that such a right exists only in the form more properly termed a privilege, subject to revocation by the collective if its state agents consider that it is advantageous to the collective to actually replace that right with a "right" to a state-provided defense and only that.

It is the interposition of the state that comstitutes the fundamental difference between liberal and conservative (at least in their modern American definition). And as firearms possession is an individual right this fellow, although well-intentioned, must sooner or later come up against that.

10 posted on 06/10/2002 3:55:59 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: tarawa
I stopped reading after
"I’m also a liberal"
11 posted on 06/10/2002 3:56:39 PM PDT by Warren
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Why would a liberal invoke morality as a reason for doing anything?
13 posted on 06/10/2002 3:59:41 PM PDT by PeoplesRepublicOfWashington
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To: tarawa
"Know your enemy..."

He seems to share the same view of government as many on this site...."I'm also a liberal, who believes that the government has the obligation, not just the right to work to make our society, nation and world a better place."

There are so-called 'conservatives' posting here who have a similar view.

How anyone could see governments as having 'rights', or how anyone could imagine a government making any part of the world a 'better place' is beyond me.

But millions disagree. ;^)

14 posted on 06/10/2002 4:03:33 PM PDT by headsonpikes
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From the article: "I am pretty dubious about the apocalyptic fantasies of those who believe that a cadre of deer hunters could stand up against the armed forces of the U.S. or some invading army."

Many members of the armed forces, though not all unfortunately, understand that they are not a police force. It would be a mistake to assume that the military could be used effectively to settle domestic disputes. The few times the military has been used, they ended up recognizing that they were in the middle where they didn't belong. The Bonus Army, the guardsmen at Kent State, the military who supplied equipment used at Waco, etc. As the incidents unfold, there are significant numbers of the military who will recognize the evil that has been unleashed and will resist.

US Military know that they are not protected by claiming "I was just following orders". I said on a different thread that F-16 pilots must refuse the duty of responding to a hijacking by shooting down an airliner whose crew has been disarmed by the F-16 pilot's Commander-in-Chief. They must make it clear that it is not their job to kill victims who have disarmed by the government.

15 posted on 06/10/2002 4:44:43 PM PDT by William Tell
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I’m also a liberal, who believes that the government has the obligation, not just the right, to work to make our society, nation and world a better place.

What an a$$ , why bother learning to defend yourself, just sit back and let the gubmint take care of you!

16 posted on 06/10/2002 5:05:07 PM PDT by hoosierboy
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18 posted on 06/10/2002 8:18:13 PM PDT by Neil E. Wright
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I’m also a liberal, who believes that the government has the obligation, not just the right, to work to make our society, nation and world a better place.

This typical liberal thinking reminds me of a scene in the latest Star Wars film. Annakin is talking to Padme and when she points out that in a democracy, people will always disagree, Annakin tells her that government should "make them agree". She tells him that that is dictatorship, not democracy, and he replies "Whatever works". That just about sums up liberal thinking. I'm glad this guy gets it on guns, but he doesn't get it on the role of govt. in general.

Oh, and government has no "rights" under the Constitution.

19 posted on 06/11/2002 5:01:42 AM PDT by RogueIsland
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To: tarawa
We should welcome the "armed Liberals" with open arms! We should be kind, patient, and tolerant of these fellow shooters. Afterall, this is America, and freedom of choice is among the many freedoms that we enjoy as Americans! If these people choose to be Liberals, then that is their Right.

The last thing we need to do is to become pushy, and intolerant- like most Liberals! Shooting can be an in-road to Conservatism for these folks. If we Conservatives show ourselves to be good, and decent people of character.

20 posted on 06/11/2002 5:13:01 AM PDT by Destructor
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