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The world needs a new Churchill, and Bush must be that man
The Free Lance-Star ^ | Sunday, June 9, 2002 | Jim Lakely

Posted on 06/10/2002 2:54:11 PM PDT by seamus

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1 posted on 06/10/2002 2:54:12 PM PDT by seamus
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2 posted on 06/10/2002 2:56:58 PM PDT by WIMom
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I'll take a Churchill any day. It doesn't make any difference to me that he was kicked out of office twice, often slept until noon, used opium in college and drank a quart of whisky every evening. The man was an astounding leader, and sometimes leaders are not perfect in the eyes of some people (no names).
3 posted on 06/10/2002 3:15:53 PM PDT by honeymagnolia
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I know this nation is devoid of the teaching of History,but isn't there anyone in the USA that realizes Churchill was a bigger butcher than Attilla the Hun? Hasn't anyone ever read about the first world war and the battle of Gallipoli where Churchill was responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Australian and New Zealand troops??? I guess he figured they were not British and were the dregs that Britian got rid of by shipping them down under!Thank God Bush is not like Churchill or we wouldn't have enough cemetery plots for dead soldiers!!!!!
4 posted on 06/10/2002 3:22:48 PM PDT by GeorgeHL
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Good column. Whatever people think about Churchill's personal habits or even Gallipoli, he was indeed farsighted and one of the few who simply had the nerve to go ahead and say what most people could probably see but preferred to ignore.

I think Bush is at that same point. That is, I think he said what needed to be said, and has, since then, quietly been trying to build up our lamentably shabby defenses before the inevitable attack. Bush is not someone who calls a press conference at the drop of a hat or, for that matter, who is followed by an adulatory press corps that reports his every idle word (ring any bells?). I think sometimes that his low profile gives the impression that he's not doing anything, but as we saw in the Homeland Security proposal last week, that's hardly the case. And I think when the strike comes (our preemptive strike, that is), we'll realize again that a lot has been going on behind the scenes.

5 posted on 06/10/2002 3:31:17 PM PDT by livius
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****Yet since Bush's similar first moment of moral clarity and declaration of purpose, his rhetoric has become murky and his actions tentative. ****

Yes, the world needs another Churchill. But we don't have anything close. GWB was picked out of the air by a consortium of industrial magnates.

Just as the opposition said, he was annointed. Compare this to the man Churchill. There is no comparison.

The American people are going to have to pull our own chestnuts out of this fire for we have elected just an average guy with an Ivy League LIBERAL education and a globalist viewpoint. He's his father's son in spades. This apple didn't even fall from the tree. It's still clinging to the branches.

6 posted on 06/10/2002 3:31:38 PM PDT by mercy
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OK, so Churchill made a tactical mistake against the Turks. Does that make him any less right about Hitler, or brilliant in his assessment of the Nazis and his conduct during the war? Does it make him any less an important figure in British and world history?

If he did not take the Prime Ministership after Halifax wisely declined after Chamberlain's resignation, millions more people would have died and suffered under a new racist German empire. He led a fractous home government and a shaky international alliance to victory over Hitler. That far overshadows the mistakes he made at Galliopoli -- ones he made not out of blithe disregard for the lives of troops, but out of a monumental miscalculation of his enemy -- a miscalculation that he did not make of Hitler.

7 posted on 06/10/2002 3:33:16 PM PDT by seamus
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To: mercy
GWB was picked out of the air by a consortium of industrial magnates....

You have just disqualified yourself from intelligent conversation.

8 posted on 06/10/2002 3:35:44 PM PDT by seamus
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"... Churchill was a bigger butcher than Attilla the Hun?"

Your source for that statement, please?

Bush is a fine man, but he couldn't hold Churchill's brandy-glass.

9 posted on 06/10/2002 3:37:05 PM PDT by Own Drummer
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Ya gotta be kidding!! I support Bush, mostly because he is not algore,
(although from recent political decisions it is hard to find many differences)
but he is no churchill.

10 posted on 06/10/2002 3:40:56 PM PDT by Warren
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G.W. is no Churchill, unfortunately. I just hope he's not Woodrow Wilson. By the way, now that Bill has named his (soon to be, probably because of auto) expired pet, you might want to go to another call sign. You must be Irish, so how about "Eire"? or Celtinyourface?
11 posted on 06/10/2002 3:41:21 PM PDT by widowithfoursons
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Sorry, I just did the math: 43,000 British dead, about 12,000 ANZACs, 5,000 French. Total, about 60,000.

In WWI terms for the Allies, about a week's worth on the Western Front, about five days on the Eastern Front.

On full-battle periods (Somme, Verdun etc) about two days' worth. Not exactly the Butcher of Gallipoli, really, was he?

12 posted on 06/10/2002 3:42:32 PM PDT by Own Drummer
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The truth hurts I know. I didn't want to face it either. I was hoping against hope. I wrote to him during his primary campaign and explained to him I was willing to contribute if he would promise me to not conduct himself as his father had done. I told him how I believed RWR had put this nation on a very good course but that his father had nearly ruined everything Reagan had done. I didn't hear back from him.

He is so obviously unqualified for the job. It is so plainly and undeniably clear after these first two years that one has to be willfully blind not to see it.

The bushies have to make up things out of whole cloth to continue their dellusions. "He's doing what he has to do in order to gain a majority in the house." etc. By the time the man has had six more years in the White House it won't matter the proportion of dims to pubbies because GWB will have accomplished everything the dims ever wanted to do.

And this doesn't even touch upon his dismal failure in his phony "War on Terror". He has capitulated to the Wahabi oil princes and repeatedly gone against the very morality of Western Civilization in his treatment of Israel .... not to mention our geopolitical interests.

His lack of any real immigration control in a so called time of war is criminal. His and his administration's constant flip flops and policy goofups is laughable.

He's the pampered son of an eletist East Coast family that is much to much involved in politics. He's a pol and a globalist. I've never trusted politicians. Although they are necessary they must always be distrusted. GWB is no diferent. In fact by all lights he is in fact a pol amoung pols. Unfortunately in these dire times we don't need his sort as President. But we are stuck with him. If more of us would make evident our outrage at his behaviour .... change might be effected.

13 posted on 06/10/2002 4:07:48 PM PDT by mercy
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Churchill and Roosevelt made the world safe for Communism. I hope Bush does not do something to give our children the same fits for the next 100 years.
14 posted on 06/10/2002 4:14:48 PM PDT by ex-snook
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If he did not take the Prime Ministership after Halifax wisely declined after Chamberlain's resignation, millions more people would have died and suffered under a new racist German empire.

Just as the opposition said, he was annointed. Compare this to the man Churchill. There is no comparison.

Good column. Whatever people think about Churchill's personal habits or even Gallipoli, he was indeed farsighted and one of the few who simply had the nerve to go ahead and say what most people could probably see but preferred to ignore.

So we need more people like Churchill, huh? May I remind you that the reason Churchill declared war on Germany was to save Poland. Instead, Poland was sacrificed to the Communist to be slaughtered. I would surely hope that Bush has more success against the axis of evil.

Churchill's main desire was to save his Empire, so he teamed with Roosevelt, whose main desire was to destroy the English Empire and set up a world government, the U.N., with himself as its leader.

Our alliance with the devil incarnate, dictator Stalin, would quickly dissolve into the Cold War, which is in a large part responsible for the arming of so many terrorists around the world.

15 posted on 06/10/2002 4:22:35 PM PDT by CW_Conservative
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The world needs a new Churchill, and Bush must be that man

Then the world is doomed. George Bush is to Winston Churchill what a budgie is to an F-16.

16 posted on 06/10/2002 4:24:53 PM PDT by IronJack
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heh heh heh
17 posted on 06/10/2002 4:55:31 PM PDT by mercy
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To: GeorgeHL
“responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Australian and New Zealand troops”

Check your numbers because your completely wrong. In terms of life lost, try comparing Gallipoli to the Western Front. That’s not intended to diminish the sacrifice made by the ANZAC’s, but you need to get the facts in perspective.

”I guess he figured they were not British”

The truth is that the majority of the ANZAC’s were first generation immigrants to Australia and New Zealand. They still held some degree of loyalty to their place of birth and the crown and that’s why they went to war.

18 posted on 06/10/2002 5:38:46 PM PDT by spitz
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19 posted on 06/10/2002 6:31:12 PM PDT by Darth Sidious
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To: mercy
Just a minute now, annointed? No, I don't think so. I
know you don't like or support him; but you can at least
get your facts straight! You know, you're beginning to
sound like an extreme leftist like C. McKinney, and some
of her Bush-hating cohorts. I don't know if you are, but
you sure sound like it; and it's getting old!

If I remember right; several of his fellow governors, some
senators, representatives, encouraged him to run for office.
I don't buy this crap about him being, how did you put it,
picked out of the air by a consortium of industrial magnates.
Well, you're full of it, because he wasn't, and he wasn't
'annointed', either. He was chosen by, and supported by at
least half the American people. So go bark up another tree!

20 posted on 06/10/2002 6:36:15 PM PDT by dsutah
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