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Judge To City: Stop Fluoridating Water - Law Requires Public Hearing And Referendum
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Posted on 06/10/2002 12:33:55 PM PDT by chance33_98

Judge To City: Stop Fluoridating Water
Law Requires Public Hearing And Referendum 

POSTED: 2:06 p.m. EDT June 7, 2002

MANCHESTER, N.H. -- A judge has ordered Manchester to stop adding fluoride to the regional water supply.

Superior Court Judge Robert Lynn ruled city officials violated state law when they introduced fluoride into the regional water supply 18 months ago.

He ordered it shut off by April of 2004, but said in the meantime, the city could either get state law changed or put the fluoride question on ballots in six neighboring towns.

He said the law requires a public hearing and referendum in any town or city where fluoride is added to a public water supply. In this case, only Manchester residents voted on the issue, even though about 40,000 people who live outside the city rely on Manchester Water Works for their water.

Supporters say fluoride reduces tooth cavities. Opponents say it contains substances that cause illnesses including cancer.


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1 posted on 06/10/2002 12:33:56 PM PDT by chance33_98
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2 posted on 06/10/2002 12:38:53 PM PDT by WIMom
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To: chance33_98

Fluoride, Mandrake!

3 posted on 06/10/2002 12:39:04 PM PDT by jlogajan
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To: chance33_98
God willing, we will prevail in peace and freedom from fear and in true health through the purity and essence of our natural fluids.
4 posted on 06/10/2002 12:41:23 PM PDT by JHawker
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To: chance33_98
Studies all over the world (the best of which was in New Zealand) have shown that fluoride does nothing to prevent dental caries. The stuff is poison:

FLUORIDE 31 (4)
1998 , pp 219-220
International Society for Fluoride Research Table of Contents
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FLUORIDATION AND CHILD DENTAL HEALTH
IN NEW ZEALAND-AN UPDATE

L H R Brett, Whangarei, New Zealand
Dental Surgery, 2 Grant Street, Kamo, Whangarei, New Zealand

SUMMARY: The most recent available statistics indicate that child dental health in New Zealand is still not significantly better in fluoridated areas.

Key words: Child dental health; Dental caries; DMFT; Fluoridation; New Zealand.

New Zealand is unique in that dental health statistics are available for almost the entire child population. These statistics are collected annually for all 12- or 13-year-olds as they leave the care of school dental clinics. The two key pieces of information from each health authority’s area are: the average percentage of the children who are free of dental caries; and the average number of decayed, filled and missing teeth, or "DMFT".

More than a decade has passed since studies using these annual surveys compared the state of children’s teeth in fluoridated and non-fluoridated areas.1,2 These studies revealed that, when similar kinds of communities were compared, child dental health (in terms of dental caries prevalence) was slightly better in the nonfluoridated areas. If one considered also the prevalences of dental fluorosis,3,4 child dental health was substantially better in the non-fluoridated areas.

Being curious to know the present situation, I obtained the Ministry of Health’s most recent available (1995) child dental health statistics for my own region (Northland) where I practise dentistry. The results suggest that the situation has not changed:


TABLE 1. Dental caries prevalences in Northland, New Zealand, in 1995

  No. of children % caries-free DMFT

Fluoridated 113 46.02 1.04
Non-fluoridated 2106 46.58 1.60


Only one town (Kaitaia) in Northland is fluoridated. The non-fluoridated area comprises other towns and large rural areas which, according to our Official Census, are of low average income. Northland is, in fact, the most poverty-stricken area in New Zealand. Lower-income areas have always had higher tooth decay prevalences. So the small (half-tooth) difference in DMFT between the fluoridated and nonfluoridated parts of the province, and higher decay-free rate in the nonfluoridated part, do not support the claimed benefits of fluoridation

The same information supplied from the central region of New Zealand, which includes the capital city, Wellington (a much more affluent region than Northland) is equally revealing:


TABLE 2. Dental caries prevalences in
central region, New Zealand, in 1995

  No. of children % caries-free DMFT
Fluoridated 6469 49.73 1.24
Non-fluoridated 5601 49.83 1.39


The nonfluoridated area in this region contains small-town and rural areas of lower income level than the fluoridated larger towns and cities. Yet there is a slightly higher decay-free percentage in the nonfluoridated area (as in Northland) and only 0.15 of a tooth difference in DMFT.

DISCUSSION AND COMMENT
It is clear from this information that water fluoridation not only does not provide the traditionally claimed "40-60%" reduction in tooth decay, but is of doubtful if any benefit at all. Despite the availability of the above statistics, they receive no publicity in our media. Instead, the public is continually presented with assertions from our health "authorities" that fluoridation is effective and safe. The New Zealand Public Health Commission report in 1994 claimed that immense savings in expenditure on dental treatment resulted from fluoridation.5 Close examination of its references for that assertion reveal that the claim was based, not on New Zealand statistics, but on a review in 1989 of various pro-fluoridation studies around the world, by a prominent US fluoridation proponent.6 That review was written before many of the comprehensive studies discrediting fluoridation,7-11 which were available to the Public Health Commission by 1994, had been published. Also, the author of the 1989 review had omitted the comprehensive studies from New Zealand1,2 which had by then been published.

The reason why our public health officials and academics cling to their orthodoxy is difficult to find. Could it be because they cannot face the reality that they have for decades been promoting a procedure which is ineffective as well as, from recent evidence,12 probably unsafe?

REFERENCES

  1. Colquhoun J. Influence of social class and fluoridation on child dental health. Community Dentistry and Oral Epidemiology 13 37-41 1985.
  2. Colquhoun J. Child dental health differences in New Zealand. Community Health Studies 11 85-90 1987.
  3. Colquhoun J. Disfiguring dental fluorosis in Auckland, New Zealand. Fluoride 17 234-242 1984.
  4. Colquhoun J. Disfiguring or "white and strong"? Fluoride 23 104-111 1990.
  5. Water Fluoridation in New Zealand. An Analysis and Monitoring Report. Public Health Commission, Wellington 1994.
  6. Newbrun E. Effectiveness of water fluoridation. Journal of Public Health Dentistry 49 (5, Special Issue) 279-289 1989.
  7. Yiamouyiannis JA. Water fluoridation and tooth decay: Results from the 1986-1987 national survey of US schoolchildren. Fluoride 23 55-67 1990.
  8. Hildebolt CF, Elvin-Lewis M, Molnar S et al. Caries prevalences among geochemical regions of Missouri. American Journal of Physical Anthropology 78 79-92 1989.
  9. Diesendorf M. Have the benefits of water fluoridation been overestimated? International Clinical Nutrition Review 10 292-303 1990.
  10. Ziegelbecker RC, Ziegelbecker R. WHO data on dental caries and natural water fluoride levels. Fluoride 26 263-266 1993.
  11. Teotia SPS, Teotia M. Dental caries: a disorder of high fluoride and low dietary calcium interactions (30 years of personal research) Fluoride 27 301-308 1994.
  12. Diesendorf M, Colquhoun J, Spittle BJ et al New evidence on fluoridation. The Australian and New Zealand Journal of Public Health 21 (2) 187-190 1997
PUBLISHED BY THE INTERNATIONAL SOCIETY FOR FLUORIDE RESEARCH
Editor’s Office: 1620 Massachusetts Street, Lawrence, Kansas 66044, USA

FLUORIDE 31 (4)
1998 , pp 219-220
International Society for Fluoride Research
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5 posted on 06/10/2002 12:44:10 PM PDT by Carry_Okie
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To: chance33_98
Now why don't you just take it easy, Group Captain, and please make me a drink of grain alcohol and rainwater, and help yourself to whatever you'd like.
6 posted on 06/10/2002 12:44:12 PM PDT by MrMatt
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To: chance33_98
Why stop there? Why shouldn't the city be compelled to provide bottled fluoride-free drinking water to residents who request it between now and the shut-off time in 2004.
7 posted on 06/10/2002 12:45:12 PM PDT by Risky Schemer
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To: jlogajan

"Ice cream, Mandrake! Children's ice cream!"
8 posted on 06/10/2002 12:46:01 PM PDT by SteamshipTime
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To: chance33_98

Precious Bodily Fluids!
Precious Bodily Fluids!
Precious Bodily Fluids!

9 posted on 06/10/2002 12:47:55 PM PDT by Darth Sidious
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To: JHawker; jlogajan
LOLROTF! You guys are too funny.
10 posted on 06/10/2002 12:48:12 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: JHawker
General Jack D. Ripper: Women uh... women sense my power and they seek the life essence. I, uh... I do not avoid women, Mandrake.

Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: No.

General Jack D. Ripper: But I... I do deny them my essence.

11 posted on 06/10/2002 12:50:07 PM PDT by MrMatt
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To: Risky Schemer
There's no reason they couldn't shut it off immediately. I wonder what the delay was.
12 posted on 06/10/2002 12:50:08 PM PDT by Sloth
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To: Sloth
I can no longer sit back and allow Communist infiltration, Communist indoctrination, Communist subversion and the international Communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids.
13 posted on 06/10/2002 12:52:27 PM PDT by MrMatt
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To: Sloth
General Jack D. Ripper: You know when fluoridation first began?

Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: I-- no, no. I don't, Jack.

General Jack D. Ripper: Nineteen hundred and forty-six. Nineteen forty-six, Mandrake. How does that coincide with your post-war Commie conspiracy, huh? It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hard-core Commie works.

14 posted on 06/10/2002 12:54:27 PM PDT by MrMatt
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To: SteamshipTime
Now *this* is Tin-Foil hat stuff. You can make a case that nothing should be added to the water without a referendum or consent of the majority, I'll go along with that.

Flouride and prevention of tooth decay was discovered via geological maps of soil mineral distribution and some good detective work by dental researchers. In areas that have a naturally high level of flouride in the soil and water, dental caries were dramatically reduced. If I recall correctly, certain areas in Texas or Oklahoma.

My dad grew up without flouridation and while otherwise pretty healthy his teeth are awful, I doubt if he has half of them left, lots of bridges and crown work and metal. I, on the other hand, have never had a single cavity. In fact, I fairly regularly use my teeth to open beer bottles, if convenient. That's because of Flouride. It may prevent them from being movie-star white, tis true.

What's ironic, is that Dentists suggested a product that has decreased their profits and revenue by untold billions. That's pretty noble, in my book.

15 posted on 06/10/2002 12:54:28 PM PDT by Freedom4US
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To: Freedom4US
Read post Number 5 please. Check the source docs as well.
16 posted on 06/10/2002 1:02:17 PM PDT by Carry_Okie
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To: chance33_98
Have you ever seen a Commie drink a glass of water? As human beings, you and I need fresh, pure water to replenish our precious bodily fluids. Do you realize that fluoridation is the most monstrously conceived and dangerous communist plot we've ever had to face?

P O E

17 posted on 06/10/2002 1:06:09 PM PDT by JHawker
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To: Freedom4US
The substance found naturally that was attributed to preventing tooth decay was calcium flouride.

Call me a skeptic, but it seems like perhaps the calcium might be the key element. Certainly, the availability of calcium in the diet has increased tremendously in recent generations.

There is, I think, some credible questions regarding the use of flouride in drinking water - do a search on Google to find them.

Three things cause me concern:

1) Even flouride advocates concede that the supposed benefits only occur when administering this substance to children, yet we put this stuff into water used by entire populations.

2) The dosage can vary widely, depending on the amount of water consumed, and other processed beverages have very high concentration. Would anyone advocate wide dosage ranges for something as benign as aspirin? Why is flouride so exceptional?

3) Ever look at the back of your toothpaste tube? There's a warning not to injest it. Toothpaste is basically benign, except for the sodium flouride. If its so healthful, why the warning?

Couple all that with conflicting studies with widely different results, and I think there's a valid question as to the necessity of flouridating drinking water.
18 posted on 06/10/2002 1:09:49 PM PDT by babyface00
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To: Freedom4US;MrMatt
I think the resistance to flouride is visceral rather than logical. But I think I can understand it. So what if the case can be made for its benefits? It sets a precedent -- force-feeding "good" into people. Which makes it a pure power play, akin to a non-consent sex act.

The fluoride rationale can be applied easily to tobacco, alcohol, fatty foods, even high-sugar foods, or even SUVs! "This is proven to be good, so we will lobby and repeatedly, quietly place this on the ballot again and again until we catch a low-turnout election and can swing the vote." Which is exactly how fluoridation got passed in one town I know of, after the town had repeatedly, overwhelmingly rejected it.

I appreciate the Dr. Strangelove humor, but it won't seem so funny when other things are voted out of our hands. "For the children." And this judge did the right thing. Except it should have been shut off right away.

19 posted on 06/10/2002 1:09:54 PM PDT by Risky Schemer
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To: Freedom4US
"...Dentists suggested a product that has decreased their profits and revenue by untold billions. That's pretty noble, in my book."

Probably not true.

The studies you were referring to looked at naturally occurring fluoride - Calcium flouride.

When water is fluoridated, its makeup is not the same as natural (calcium) floride.

The following link explains this pretty well and sites some studies.
Some good info on flouride

20 posted on 06/10/2002 1:15:31 PM PDT by ez2muz
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