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WAS ANGLETON RIGHT?
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Posted on 06/08/2002 7:22:21 PM PDT by Ivan the Terrible

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1 posted on 06/08/2002 7:22:21 PM PDT by Ivan the Terrible
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To: Ivan the Terrible
When the New York Times cast doubt on Angleton's sanity, it was clear to everyone he was close to finding his moles.
2 posted on 06/08/2002 7:28:41 PM PDT by LarryLied
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To: Ivan the Terrible
Well, we've got Dave Frasca for the FBI; now we just need the CIA mole.

Seriously, where IS this guy? You would think a Federal employee would serve at the convenience of Congress but even Senators can't seem to interview him. There's something really odd about his inaccessiblity. And how is it all these investigative journals can find nothing about him other than his name? Has anyone done a bio? They've done a bio on everyone else involved with this mess.

3 posted on 06/08/2002 7:29:22 PM PDT by bloggerjohn
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To: LarryLied
This may be slightly off point, or maybe not. Colby's extremely strange -- and unexplained -- "boating" death stands out like a searchlight in my assessment of this whole thing. It makes as much sense to me as the idea that Vince Foster blew his brains out in Ft. Marcy Park. I believe Colby was murdered. By whom and why?
4 posted on 06/08/2002 7:45:43 PM PDT by Bernard Marx
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5 posted on 06/08/2002 7:46:21 PM PDT by Libertarianize the GOP
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To: LarryLied
The old pink lady, AKA NY Times, was bought and paid for by Iron Felix and the KGB in the 1930s.

Angleton was correct, in the way, and needed to be discredited.

The Commies could count on their fellow travelers and useful idiots at the NYT.

6 posted on 06/08/2002 7:48:08 PM PDT by Agent Smith
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To: LarryLied
Which tells you the New York Times is tool of Soviet Intelligence.
7 posted on 06/08/2002 8:07:37 PM PDT by AmericaUnited
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AmericaUnited: Which tells you the New York Times is tool of Soviet Intelligence.
Except that it is no longer the Soviet Union, but now Russia and other Republics. And the president has made points by convincing us and Europe that Russia is now our friend and that he has looked in Putin's soul and sees good things. So, what are you saying?
--Raoul
8 posted on 06/08/2002 10:30:43 PM PDT by RDangerfield
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To: RDangerfield; AmericaUnited
"So, what are you saying?"

That nobody believes the New York Times anymore.

9 posted on 06/08/2002 11:03:16 PM PDT by okie01
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I'm glad to see some are starting to question this. Angleton was smeared and maligned. The smaer campaign took off when Angleton spoke up in support of KGB Major Anatoliy Golitsyn. Now connect the rest of the dots.....

The Golitsyn Predictions

An Extensive Expose On International Terrorism

Russia's alliance with China

"The India-Pakistan Crisis and Chinese Strategy"

Behind the brutality in Chechnya

10 posted on 06/08/2002 11:06:18 PM PDT by bat-boy
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To: All
I'm glad to see some are starting to question this. Angleton was smeared and maligned. The smear campaign took off when Angleton spoke up in support of KGB Major Anatoliy Golitsyn. Now connect the rest of the dots.....

A Mind of Winter

The Golitsyn Predictions

Through the Looking Glass: Angleton and Golitsyn

An Extensive Expose On International Terrorism

The Grand Deception

Russia's alliance with China

The Final Phase

Behind the brutality in Chechnya

11 posted on 06/08/2002 11:09:22 PM PDT by bat-boy
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To: Bernard Marx
Colby ... I, too, have always wondered about that. Although it is true that people DO die in water accidents. Still - questions were raised at the time. The thing is, in his line of work, one would raise the ire of lots of different forces.
12 posted on 06/08/2002 11:45:22 PM PDT by BlackVeil
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With all due respect Mr. Dangerfield, you have no idea what you are talking about. Sure, the Soviet Union split up. However, the same folks are in power. THE SAME FOLKS!!! Every country kept the same people in power! All they did was change the names of their party! It would be no different than the democans changing their name. Does that change their beliefs? NO.

Would you like an example of what I am speaking of? Let's take the Czech Republic as an example:

TheCase of Vladimir Hucin

False Democracy

Can we save Vladimir Hucin?

Inside the Czech Republic

A Plea for Justice

SHAMEFUL REALITY BEHIND HAVEL´S DEMOCRACY

New Methods for Old

Repression in the Czech Republic

The Czech Factor

Russia's involvement in world terrorism and the Czech connection

A Letter From Vladimir Hucin

Bolshevik Inquisition Part 1

Bolshevik Inquisition – Part II Hucin speaks out

Bolshevik Inquisition – Part III The Red Octopus

There. That should keep you busy for a while.

There are examples such as the above going on in EVERY SINGLE former Soviet Republic. Peristroika was and is a deception.

13 posted on 06/08/2002 11:57:12 PM PDT by bat-boy
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To: RDangerfield
As batboy said, the name changes are irrelevant.
14 posted on 06/09/2002 4:52:55 AM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: Bernard Marx
The one conclusion that can be drawn about the Clinton years--with the deaths of Vince Foster, Colby, Ron Browm, TWA 800, OKC "John Doe #2", Arkancides, etc etc etc is that if you want to know what to have a clue what is going on the _last_ place on the planet to look is the major television, radio, and print media. These folks just fed us the official line on every controversy and did virtually no serious investigative reporting. I really don't like being a conspiracy theorist but these media idiots give me no choice!
15 posted on 06/09/2002 5:04:15 AM PDT by cgbg
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To: Bernard Marx
This may be slightly off point, or maybe not. Colby's extremely strange -- and unexplained -- "boating" death

Nothing here to see folks....move along.

16 posted on 06/09/2002 6:59:49 AM PDT by Valin
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Except for the fact that Richard Helms was the "Man who kept the Secrets", and Colby gave them away. I defy anyone to explain how Colby could have done such a putrid job of running the CORDS operation in Viet Nam and still gain the approval of Democrat senators to run the CIA.
17 posted on 06/09/2002 7:19:20 AM PDT by gaspar
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To: bat-boy
bat-boy: With all due respect Mr. Dangerfield, you have no idea what you are talking about. Sure, the Soviet Union split up. However, the same folks are in power. THE SAME FOLKS!!! Every country kept the same people in power! All they did was change the names of their party! It would be no different than the democans changing their name. Does that change their beliefs? NO.
I think you miss the point that President Bush is the one who is telling us that Putin and his administration is different and is to be trusted. And he has been congratulated for that often on FreeRepublic. Maybe you should be addressing that rather than looking backward.
--Raoul
18 posted on 06/09/2002 10:03:21 AM PDT by RDangerfield
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Yes, I know what President Bush is saying and I cannot understand it. There is more than ample evidence of the Peristroika deception, as well as the collusion between Russia, China and the so-called "axis of evil" countries.

The only thing I can figure is that President Bush knows nothing of Golitsyn and his theories/predictions because his "crack" intelligence agencies blew Golitsyn off in favor of Nosenko, who was was nothing but a KGB stooge sent to the U.S. to reduce or eliminate the potential damage of Golitsyn's revelations.

Jeez, I wish I could talk everyone into reading the following books:

The Perestroika Deception : Memoranda to the Central Intelligence Agency by Anatoliy Golitsyn

"New Lies for Old: The Communist Strategy for Deception and Disinformation" - Anatoliy Golitsyn

Origins of the Fourth World War : And the Coming Wars of Mass Destruction - by Jeffrey R. Nyquist

Seeds of Fire: China And The Story Behind The Attack On America -- by Gordon Thomas

We will bury you - by the late Czech General Jan Sejna

As for looking backward, sometimes you have to peer into the past to understand what is happening now and what will happen in the future.

There is nothing I can do to convince Bush to read these books and consider the implications. His advisors will never introduce these books to him, nor the theories found inside. The intelligence and LE establishments of the CIA and FBI have completly disregarded Golitsyn as a crackpot, although one must wonder how a "crackpot" rises to the rank of major inside of the KGB, or how a man rises to the rank of general inside of the Czech army if they are crackpots. There is also the question that if Golitsyn was/is a crackpot, then why is it that out of close to two hundred predictions on what the Soviet Union/Russia would do, he has a 94% rate of accuracy.

The only thing I can do is attempt to get the information I feel is valid and relevent out to the public. If someone listens, good....I say prepare. If people do not listen, then that's fine also. They will die when the time comes because they are not prepared.

Despite the imbecillic ramblings of the likes of Thomas Friedman and Francis Fuki-what's-his-name, history and war have not ended for mankind.

19 posted on 06/09/2002 11:30:06 AM PDT by bat-boy
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To: Nogbad; keri
Ping. This is a very interesting perspective.
20 posted on 06/09/2002 11:33:34 AM PDT by Mitchell
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